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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 17:47 
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A new stretch of average speed cameras covering 14 miles are being installed on the A14 in Cambridgeshire – the second longest in the UK.

The cameras will be going up between Huntingdon and Cambridge from January 22 – with the aim of reducing accidents.

The new cameras are only beaten in length by a 32mile stretch of cameras on the A77 in Strathclyde.

An official statement says: “We hope that this new camera system will help to make the A14 safer.

The number of road casualties on the A14 in Cambridgeshire, although below the national average, is unacceptably high.”

The new camera system, which calculates the average speed along a length of road, will be installed between the Spittals Interchange (Junction 23) and the Girton Interchange (Junction 31).

Work starts on Monday 22 January, 2007 for 12 weeks and will be done overnight, when traffic flows are lower: Monday to Thursday between 8pm and 6am, Fridays 9pm to 9am and Saturdays 7pm and 11am.

During the work there will be overnight single lane closures and a temporary 40mph speed limit.

There will also be some overnight carriageway and slip road closures, and these will be publicised in advance.

What isn’t explained is why the authorities think the cameras will help improve the behaviour of drivers in terms of driving too close to the car in front, using mobile phones and the wearing of seatbelts – all listed as causes of accidents on this stretch of road.

The statements added: “Analysis of crashes and information from the police show that the major factors involved in incidents on the A14 include motorists driving too fast and too close for the conditions as well as people using their mobile phones on the move and not wearing seatbelts.”

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Police Inspector Andy Chatfield, Cambridgeshire Police, said: "Average Speed Cameras will make a major contribution to making the A14 a safer road to travel on and will encourage freer flowing traffic.

“Experience of similar projects has shown that more motorists comply with the speed limit over the length of the zone reducing the concertina effect of traffic speeding up and then slowing down.

“The works are being carried out at times to minimise the disruption to motorists.

“They will be well signed and I would urge everyone to drive within the signed limits and their own capabilities."

For further information about the Highways Agency and on driving safely through roadworks visit: http://www.highways.gov.uk (external site), Check out: www.thinkA14.co.uk (external site) for more information about the A14 and the road safety campaign.

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Whilst I agree 100% with the sentiment of the article, I fail to see how not wearing a seatbelt can cause an accident... :roll:

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I'm pretty sure that's what they're trying to imply :P

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R1Nut wrote:
I'm pretty sure that's what they're trying to imply :P


And there was me thinking it was just MCN being rubbish as usual... :lol:

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I'd been hearing about plans for this for a while. Looks like it's finally gone ahead. Wasn't there also talk of reducing the speed limit to 60? I certainly hope not.

From what I remember of the road it's a fairly good quality dual-carriageway, shame that it's being ruined by this.

Also I wonder if HGV lorries will have their 50 limit enforced by the new cameras.


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Those damned motorcyclists not wearing their seat belts.

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madroaduser wrote:
I'd been hearing about plans for this for a while. Looks like it's finally gone ahead. Wasn't there also talk of reducing the speed limit to 60? I certainly hope not.

From what I remember of the road it's a fairly good quality dual-carriageway, shame that it's being ruined by this.

Also I wonder if HGV lorries will have their 50 limit enforced by the new cameras.


I'm sure they will reduce the limit - they need to pay for the cameras somehow......

That particular part of the A14 is awful. It seems to be a favourite part for trucks to 'elephant race' which makes the flow even worse. There are already loads of cameras so I don't think this will be any worse. At least a SPECS system might stop some of the panic braking that happens now.


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Those damned motorcyclists not wearing their seat belts.


And using mobiles whilst riding... :roll:

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And using mobiles whilst riding... :roll:

Don't worry, those new SPECS cameras will solve the problem.

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R1Nut wrote:
The number of road casualties on the A14 in Cambridgeshire, although below the national average, is unacceptably high.”


Best. Justification. Ever.


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Why would MCN readers be worried about SPECS cameras?

Why are they spending more public money installing 'speed control systems' on dual carriageways, after the flaw that they cannot catch speeding motorists who change lanes between cameras has been so widely exposed? This just provides further proof that they have no interest in reducing speed, even if they genuinely believe that it 'kills'.


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orange wrote:
R1Nut wrote:
The number of road casualties on the A14 in Cambridgeshire, although below the national average, is unacceptably high.”


Best. Justification. Ever.


Word!


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RobinXe wrote:
Why would MCN readers be worried about SPECS cameras?


Zombie drivers?

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SafeSpeed wrote:
RobinXe wrote:
Why would MCN readers be worried about SPECS cameras?


Zombie drivers?


No change there then :P


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That's where I live and I cross the A14 halfway between Cambridge and Huntingdon most days and use pert of that piece of road about 4 times each week.
The main cause of acidents is the very poor design of the junction where the A14 and the M11 meet. Immediately after that junction going west, there are three exits, one for the crematorium and the 3 lanes also go into 2 lanes at the last of the 3 exits. Traffic density is high and most of the crashes there occur at lower speeds. Mainly it's the transfer of vehicles approaching at 70+ in lane 3 and wanting to get into the lh lane to exit, just as the A14 traffic is merging and trying to move across. The sheer size of the HGV's makes sightlines somewhat obscured and many drivers are simply not up to the driver work-load involved in terms of spatial awareness.
It is now to be a 60 limit as well as having SPECS, but that will just make for more loss of concentration a drivers will have to keep a close eye on their speedos just when max. concentration is required on other traffic movements. Wonderful logic there isn't it!
How many sets of SPECS is a question as there are so many exits between Huntingdon & Cambridge. Will there be a set of SPECS covering all lanes before and after each junction one wonders.
Personally I shall avoid that road and if many do likewise and go through St.Ives, Earith and the other villages, one might suppose that there will be less accidents on the A14 due to ower volumes. What will be the effect on our village (Earith) is another matter with it's narrow High street and a very obscured junction from Colne Road onto the main road which is right where I live. In the past year we've had 2 HGV's go into peoples homes at that junction. Still, people will want to avoid the SPECS, so it will happen more. Then, of course, the SPECS-meisters will claim success for their silly toys on the A14!c


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Our 'new' car has cruise control so all I will need to do is set the appropriate speed and we will obviously be perfectly safe.

Does anybody know how tight the limits are set on specs, will you get a fine for doing 75 in a 70 for instance?


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Why would MCN readers be worried about SPECS cameras?


They were instrumental in getting the petition going regarding the legality of cameras for catching bikes as the Home Office hadn't specifically type approved them for that use.

It seems that they are now extending that and joining in Paul's campaign. I do seem to remember them quoting Safespeed and Paul on more than one occassion.

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Why would MCN readers be worried about SPECS cameras?


They were instrumental in getting the petition going regarding the legality of cameras for catching bikes as the Home Office hadn't specifically type approved them for that use.


That would be the petition the PM's Office recently fobbed off then :(

I'm still interested to know why they're spending what is undoubtedly a vast sum of money on technology that has now been shown to be ineffective at catching those determined to consciously speed, who will switch lanes between sets of cameras, but will catch those who drift over whilst giving their attention to more pressing road safety issues.

In fact, could SPECS turn out to be the most dangerous type of scamera yet if, rather than precipitating panic braking, they instead result in panic lane changing! What about the extra workload on drivers who are not confident that their average speed is within tolerances (and who can know exactly what their avg speed is) and are having to remember which lane they were in to pass each set? Worse still, particularly in SC applications, those who may have exceeded the speed limit within the zone, overtaking for example, and now have to slow down to dangerously slow speeds in an attempt to reduce their avg before passing the next set of scams?

Good lord!


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Worse still, particularly in SC applications, those who may have exceeded the speed limit within the zone, overtaking for example, and now have to slow down to dangerously slow speeds in an attempt to reduce their avg before passing the next set of scams?


I hadn't thought of that one!

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Trying to drive to an average speed is more difficult that avoiding speeding at specific points and requires MUCH more concentration on the speedo at all times. How this is meant to increase safety is illogical.
Not only are SPECS to be placed on nthe A14 wher bad road-engineering/design is the basic problem, they also propose to put them on another road near here - the Ramsey to Chatteris Road which runs alongside the 40ft drain. Several cars have fallen into the drain over the past couple of years with fatal results. How average speed cameras will reduce this toll is something which is not really clear, as the accidents are not really speed related. As with many fen roads, the surface is undulating and lapses of concentration combined with, possibly, soft or poor suspension, can cause loss of control in the dark or in bad weather. Currently the limit is 50 mph, but there is a move to reduce it to 40.
The other thing with SPECS is that if you are held up in a part of a monitored sector you can then go virtually as fast as you like with impunity over the rest of that sector so long as your average is not in excess of the posted limit. No other enforcement can take place as you can't be 'done' twice for the same offence, so Police patrols will, effectively, disappear from those roads. The real answer would be crash barriers along the canal bank, but that would cost money and money is more important than lives in today's politics.


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