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He also wrote:


Now this concerns me, as this is a website that exposed this manager's antics and was very professionally trashed. The guy that cleaned it up said" the security services couldn't have done a better job"
It's also part of my email address that I have used to register here on safespeed & the LEP.
However it is also the one used in my contact with the Partnership & Lancashire Constabulary!
This guy will be watched very closely until his hidden agenda becomes clear.[/quote]

I thought my "Spidey sense" was tingling!
Steve Callaghan does the same thing!

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That's unusual.. .. dead at the 10% mark. We usually allow a more realistic margin.

Ah.. but that;s here and not wherever you are mate. Bad luck and hope your son keeps a realistic coolness over the experience. Howver- we have also pulled at the 10% dead if the speed was not safe for the actual road conditions...but not always prosecuted unless something else worried us about the driver

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Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

Why would I join Safespeed ?
1.To enhance & contribute to the debate.
2.To undermine the credibility of Safespeed as a forum and indicate my superior knowledge of it's members.

If 1. That's simple. Just contribute and respect the opinions of it's members.
If 2. I would have to seed the forums postings with misinformation, inflame the members, and slowly erode the credibility of safespeed as a forum.

I would probably include little gems like:

and

then


I could then suggest that it's members were a little bit "thick" with


or

and
to reinforce my superior driving ability (who else would need a POLICE DRIVING HANDBOOK ?)


Highly experienced: Most drivers are C**p!


and expose my theory as to how all motorists should be kept in the dark, regarding how the police enforce the law. In effect "The mushroom theory"

I wonder who would even consider operating like this and for what reasons.................................

So Back To Follow The Money:

The police FOI figures are taken from The FPNH1s of The Partnership.

These have been compiled by the CTO Manager in relation to payments under the "Netting Off Process" under the camera scheme.

In turn these claims have been authenticated by The internal Auditer from LCC, The Finance Director LCC & The Treasurer of LCC

They were certified by the District Auditor of The Audit Commission and on the strength of this payments were made back to The Partnership from The Treasury.

The Police FOI figures are concluded in detail to 100% conclusion for each year and took over 3 months to supply in order that they should be correct and clarified that the speed awareness courses were cancelled tickets and not FPNs.

The Finance Director for Cumbria & Lancashire Courts system has confirmed that the Police figures & The Courts figures don't reconcile.

So somewhere between The auditers & the courts over 80,000 speeding offences have gone missing.

At only £60.00 apiece that's £4,800.000 worths that belong to the Treasury & somewhere amongst them is my lad's (that they never did find!)

Now disregarding the points and the fact that this is hardly doing any good for "ROAD SAFETY" this is a substantial sum but The powers that be don't seem concerned.

The "Train Robbers" got 25 years each for stealing roughly about this sum from The Crown!

Now either The Police know more about this than they are saying or some enterprising entrepeneur in Blackburn CTO has been operating a very lucrative sideline in destroying summonses & FPNs.

I should imagine that at least at £100.00 pound each they would have been (literally) flying out of the window at that price! Perhaps that's where they went!!!!!!

More Spin - This time from the TOP!

The sort of spin you would expect from someone with a PRESS & PUBLICITY background!

HOWEVER,
26,805 of them were just for speeding according to his figures!
16,745 of them were for Driving licence offences according to Ministry for Justice's figure!
Plus many many more CRIMINAL motoring offences.

Now its coming home to roost which section of the public/criminals/motorists are being TARGETTED!
And the majority of them are bringing in EXTRA REVENUE to top up THE BUDGET through the back door!

No wonder neither The National Audit Office nor The Director for Finance Cumbria & Lancashire Courts can't reconcile HIS Figures with THEIRS!

BECAUSE HIS are WRONG!

His FOI supplied 2006 figures for Speeding offences ONLY before the courts are 27,364!
His FOI supplied 2007 figures for Speeding offences ONLY before the courts are 24,323! (TOTAL COMBINED CUMBRIA & LANCASHIRE ALL MOTORING OFFENCES through the courts 24,500)
Let's see what his next report on fighting CRIME says!

Do you have any figures for the number of non-motoring offences, preferably with a description of what those offences are?

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Hi Steve,
No I just have an interest in the motoring figures, but I think they are published on either the Home Office or Ministry for Justice Sites.
I do know that Lancashire Constabulary got pulled over the coals for misrepresenting some serious crime figures GBH etc, I think and had to regrades them.
Hope this helps.
Personally I would query any figures put out by this spin driven lot!

Now this is for Ernest Marsh as I believe he has an interest in this neck of the woods: CUMBRIA
Here are their returns for 2004-2007:


O.K. Now these returns seem to be in a world of their own as they can generate thousands of FPNs with just a few hundred NIPS!
However this must be a glitch in their computer system as the money gels with the FPNS paid and the Courts Figures are reasonable compared with the Unpaid FPNs.
So What's the problem ?
Well the problem is in the last quarter of each year and the fact that the Partnership SEEM to be under an illusion that the income from FPNs is ALL THEIRS, (THEIR BUDGET) and that any lengths should be gone to to deprive the GOVERNMENT of THE SURPLUS as the Scheme intended.
How can this be shown ?
Here's who attended:

By the publishing of their last minutes of Monday 6th February 2006 where it was discussed how they should deprive the Government of their rightful surplus from the income of FPNs by "looking for opportunities to bring forward expenditure from the NEXT FINANCIAL YEAR to REDUCE OR ELIMINATE THIS SURPLUS!!!!!
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Read The entire minutes in full & who was in the Chair looking for ways to Minimise their losses from Government Money! This Guy is no Bus Driver Councillor!!
http://www.cumbriasafetycameras.org/lib ... 606Web.pdf
It's very clear that Cumbria treat the income from speeding fines as theirs! At any cost! Call it "creative Accounting" or whatever but its not the Way The Road Safety Camera Scheme was intended to be run!
BOUNTY HUNTERS IN CUMBRIA!!!!£££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££

Now can any one explain what this means ?

Are we talking FIXING CAMERAS HERE ?????

Now I don't know about you but if I am entrusted to look after income of yours (The Government) and I tried to use it to pay my next years bills claiming they had been incurred whilst looking after your money,this year, I think I might just get my collar felt if I was daft enough to allow that to be written down & witnessed!
Don't You ?

THE CHIEF's CON for CASH!


Minister's reply shows Lancashire's CAUTIONING POLICY for speeding to be a SHAM!


More details to follow!
OFFICIAL CAUTIONING POLICY:


With over 300 cameras do you really expect ANYBODY to believe that ONLy 1 person was flashed travelling at 35,46,57 mph since the POLICY was ROLLED OUT, when in 2003 over 39,000 were napped at 35mph ONLy and were offered SPEED AWARENESS COURSES! (Worth £2.26 each to the Constabulary-NO CASH FOR CAUTIONS!)

Personally I’d say you’ve well and truly busted them. The thing now is what will be done about it?
Hope you stick around!

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

Dixie wrote:
Working on it...................
God willing I fully intend to! There's a few more out there still scamming££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££

Well I am firmly convinced!!

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Here's the figures from Lancashire County Council under the FOI.
Offers are worth £2.26 each to Lancashire Constabulary
The Council DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY PAID THE POLICE FOR THE FIRST 3 YEARS. THEY DON'T KEEP RECORDS OF CASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is a council that gets hundreds of £millions each year from the Government!
The police income shoots up from £26,000 in the first RECORDED YEAR to over £126,000 and is growing even though the ACTUAL COURSES are about 40% of the offers.



LOADS OF MONEY but THE POLICE DON'T MAKE ANYTHING OUT OF SPEEDING!!!!
THEY MAKE MORE THAN THE GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!
They make even less from CAUTIONS, in fact THEY have to PAY for them from their BUDGET!!!


More SPIN FROM A MEDIA, PR, PRESS PUBLISHING background Chief Constable who obviously believes that the people of Lancashire & it's visitors should be treated by operating "The MUSHROOM THEORY" (THAT'S KEEP 'EM IN THE DARK & SH*T on 'EM FROM A GREAT HEIGHT!) and robbing them of every penny by any means so long as HIS budget is unaffected and is boosted by millions!

SO WHERE DOES THE ROAD SAFETY BIT COME IN STEVE ?

Er, or the faster it is (strange you left that off...).

Technically it doesn't matter how heavy it is if it's going very fast, or how fast it is if it's very light, but pretty much all cars are about a tonne.

I WONDERED WHEN YOU'D SURFACE wEEPEJ
Dont't try to subvert the current thread with sideissues & smokescreens.
Been watching you for a while!

Back to the thread:

M.P. is watching SAFESPEED.



The chief Constable of Lancashire NEVER answer M.P.s letters so as far as I'm concerned he gets all he deserves!

Its the momentum (mass times velocity) that matters. You can be killed by a grain of dust if it is travelling fast enough and can survive a collision with a thousand ton object provided it is moving very slowly

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When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

What's that got to do with:
"Chickens come home to roost".
Fellow Traveller!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looks like we've got " Hit & run " merchants on here.
Quick post, log off return to lurk as "guests".
Old Antics.
I said at my first posting I have over 2 years of gems still to post!

yimitier, if I see somebody making a statement that I think is wrong, misleading or spun I'll comment on it regardless of the subject of the thread.