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The problem is with the current system....at the end of the day, you are training to pass a test. Not learning how to drive.

When I passed my test back in 91, my instructor said "Well done. Now you start learning"

I took some extra lessons from him after I passed, including a couple of motorway lessons.

I think that the driver instruction should include at least several sessions on a skid pan, and further training after the test has been passed. The new EU licensing directive includes a 30mph swerve for motorcyclists, but of course that only applies to PTW's

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What I would also like, but doubt it could ever be enforced, would be no lessons allowed before the retest.

So yet again, the answer people are looking at is to just throw more numbers and restrictions at the law - I really had hoped for more intelligence

I'm not going to go through each detail but suffice to say, a large majority of young drivers are quite responsible (even if they don't always have experience) so these proposals would just criminalise safe behaviour.

Perhaps people should look at encouraging better attitudes from young people, like spending time with well trained police officers or offering a free track day where they could learn extra skills etc.

Exactly. There is no point putting further restrictions on legal drivers if we don't know how many of these were driving illegally.

True.

It really bringing in line with EU policy though. You can have provisional at age 17 but lessons are compulsory - must classroom theory sessions und must include a night drive. Germany also test on A/bahn/fast roads too. They now restrict the learner to 80 mph on derestricts When I took my test there was not this rule so I showed the examiner what I could do (He then took me straight to a 20 mph limited road I passed

But I wonder? Does this apply to all newlyqualifieds or just to the 18-25 year olds?

Define a "novice driver". Some learn after studies when they can afford it more. Or have to get a job later in life. It would be very compromising for some one pushing late 20s or above to be treated in such a nanny goat way

What if you have kids who marry young or have baby at age of 16 (or younger in case of UK kids per the stats )

Not being able to drive or have curfew might disavantage these very young families or even "families"


Education start at cradle in reality. You teach road sense from start of their lives. You teach them to respect other people all the time. You also teach them to be careful around things that approach on wheels which by definition go faster than their legs. You teach them to use Green Cross Code.. respect traffic of all types.

You teach them as they grow up that a car ist a friend who can turn enemy if you not treat him with respect - which mean looking after him/knowing how he work/controlling him with your own self discipline too. Und always using COAST principles


So .. it start in cradle really. Continue throughout life. Sooner we accept the basic common sense und responsibility und bring back courteous manners - greater our chances of educating out the morons in our society.

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But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
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Another thing I support would be to make driving without a licence a serious offence, similar to driving while disqualified. Merely having no licence is currently a rather minor offence.

The thugs are just laughing over this. Uninsured .. unregistered. You look at all the reports of seriosu accidents. Invariably these feature.
in 85% at least of them all.

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Nicht ganz im Lot!
Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
Smiley guy seen when you read
Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
Me?
Je ne regrette rien!

Yes, but we'd have to be careful to miss those that were entitled, but didn't actually have a licence for some trivial administrative reason.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Unnamed Government Minister (but pretty senior)
"We should seriously consider reducing the voting age to 16"

Parliamentary Report
"Minimum age for driving licence should be 18"

Pressure group on tobacco
"Cigarettes should only be allowed to be sold to those over 18"

Pressure group on alcohol abuse
"Minimum age should be 21"

Something wrong in this country, I think. And I am sure I am not alone

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Don't you just love the schizophrenia.

- Young people are responsible enough to decide who should run the country at 16.
- Young people are not responsible enough to drive until they are 18.
- Young people are not responsible enough to decide whether to smoke until they are 18.
- Young people are not responsible enough to decide whether to drink until they are 21.

Message to new 16 year old voters: "Don't vote for this Government, they won't let you do anything for years."

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Malcolm W.
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Unless of course it's to sign up for the forces, have to buy your own kit, and whilst you have no say in the matter send you off to some foreign country to fight a war that the voters did not get a chance to vote for .

(Large dollop of licence, but hammer almost hitting nail ?? )

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Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

I don't support any of these proposals.

- where are the incentives to get young drivers to take further training?
- What analysis has been done to determine the impact on uninsured/unlicensed drivers with these new tougher measures?
- What analysis has been done to determine the underlying causes of young driver accidents?
- what analysis has been done against other countries where similar restrictions apply to see if they actually work.
- what analysis has been done against over 60s - who mile for mile are the highest risk.

ASBO culture has made the youth a legitimate target for the cause of all problems. This war against the young has to stop

I couldn't agree more.

But I have never seen any evidence to support the statement I have emboldened. If there is any I need to see it.

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Paul Smith
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I had always understood that elderly drivers didn't exceed the per mile risk of 17-20 yos until they were over 80, and those in the 60-65 age group represented one of the best insurance risks of all.

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It comes down to this: -

If you are old enough to go to War for this nation, then you're old enough to do anything else - smoke, drink, drive, fornicate, buy a house, marry etc. So anything above 18 is a total non-starter, in my humble opinion.

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That must have been quite an eye opener for him, but how were things when you got in the car?

Best wishes all,
Dave.

That's me on the slippery slope then.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

That's what the better known insurance companies reflect in quotes to me year after year. It's only some that are looking at age and asking questions.
In fact with some companies I have questioned their premiums and got a reduction in quote.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Actually I dont agree!

And neither did the Romans!

IIRC a Citizen did not get the "Vote" untill he was 25, yet there were really quite successfull Roman military commanders who were younger than this!

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... and the average life expectancy of a Roman was ...?

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Malcolm W.
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