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Riiiight.

So 40mph in a 40mph zone is OK in your estimation. But the very next day, when that 40mph zone has been reduced to 30mph for baseless political reasons, 40mph is now an act of aggression? Can you really attach that much faith to a number on a stick, especially one put there by a councillor who knows nothing about the technical side of traffic engineering?

As far as I'm concerned, an aggressive act is immediately obvious. I don't need to check the nearest lollipop before deciding.

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"The freedom provided by the motor vehicle is not universally applauded, however: there are those who resent the loss of state control over individual choice that the car represents. Such people rarely admit their prejudices openly; instead, they make false or exaggerated claims about the adverse effects of road transport in order to justify calls for higher taxation or restrictions on mobility." (Conservative Way Forward: Stop The War Against Drivers)

And a short while later...




Here's a flaw. (Unless of course you have evidence that there is a conspiracy in place, rather than simply the Government trying to find the cheapest - and therefore most acceptable to the right-wingers on here - option of 'policing' the roads.)



Really?



Hmm... If Safe Speed is so sure of its figures, then why - according to George Monbiot in The Guardian - have they not been put out for peer review?



Please note: the responses to this post have been split into a separate thread here.

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Before you moan about middle-lane hoggers, check that you yourself are obeying all the rules of the road.

I'm still interested in the juggling knives thing, and todays story in the press about pantomime productions no longer being allowed to throw sweets into the audience in case they hurt somebody!
It seems to me that weepj is the sort of person who would advocate such a policy - an assumption based on his opinion that he thinks that Med Hughes (whose driving we were commenting on in this thread when it started) was dangerous, simply because for one brief moment he was snapped doing 90 mph.

My view is that a well trained driver in a well maintained vehicle poses no risk based simply on the known fact - that his speed was 90 mph at the moment he was snapped on camera!
What rankles with me is the hypocrisy of a man who has stated that driving in such a manner deserves draconian punishment! He should now either stick to that stance and resign, or refute it, and accept that just like his, lots of drivers behavior is actually quite safe... under similar circumstances.

A second issue is that he was not pulled over by the camera - so clearly his offence was not serious enough to have it stopped immediately. If he had been juggling with knives, or brandishing a firearm in a busy town centre, who knows.... if it was seen on CCTV, would they simply send out a summons in the post a few days later?

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No you don't.

Doing that is not a "safe" thing to do its incredibly dangerous and risky, and would be more so if you had to deal with pedestrains, other vehicles and adhesion of rubber to tarmac.

Either that or they don't post enough to keep up.

There appears to be quite a spectrum of political standpoints on this forum. Criticising the current Government is not necessarily derived from being either "left" or "right" wing.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

Nope, MORE dangerous than doing 60.

Saftey is not a binary factor, you suddenly don't turn from being safe to dangerous at a particular speed, danger starts as soon as you move the car, and increases the faster you go, it also increases and decreases as the environment around you changes in ways that are perceptable and not perceptable to the driver.

I've been quite Jeremy Clarkson on this one before; how about rocket launchers in speed cameras?

You "quite Jeremy C"... you sure? I envisage you as "Miss Daisy meeting Captain Slow" whilst finding a Hamster endearing. on the tread wheel.

There nice danger that the rocket mis-fire und blow itself up.

But wait.. Finland has something which harpoon a car driven by some getway crook in a policechase. They must have jazzed up 4x4s for this

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Nicht ganz im Lot!
Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

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But he on empty road apart from him und the bloke behind the hedges.

But you could argue that the danger start as soon as the kittens learn to c-c-crawl und get up to inquisitive learning mischiefs.

The danger to body start when we begin to run und cycle fast as it cause "wear und tear on those joints" (That an excuse the Mad Doc hear when he recommend exrecise programme to a patient once .. but no matter .. you could argue that the minute we venture out to do anything ist when the "danger" start.

I set off att walk.. break into a trot und then a run. I could trip up on pavement und hurt myself.

It health/safety nonsenses und why we have such obesity problem these days because of attitude which turn all actions into something to fear.

It really a case of being aware at all times of everything going on around you whether on foot/on bike/in car or in the kitchen cooking the dinner.

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Nicht ganz im Lot!
Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
Smiley guy seen when you read
Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
Me?
Je ne regrette rien!

That's quite a stretch!

Speed cameras cause obseity?

But you board a plane to go on jollies?

Personally .. I don't. I prefer my car und that cute ferry und lots of lovely roads

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Nicht ganz im Lot!
Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
Smiley guy seen when you read
Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
Me?
Je ne regrette rien!

They cause obsidian views in their supporters.

They cause skills of decent driving to become "obsolete" und create an obsessive desire to make as much cash as possible out of them

But you mention any movement .. so the danger thus start when we begin to walk und move. Thus if running is dangerous (und some schools have banned running around und skipping in playground in case the kids trip und graze a knee) - then the obsession with nanny dictating instead of teaching folk to be responsible for their own actions und judging a situation properly und maturely.. ist contributing to health problems as suffered by society .. including obesity.

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Nicht ganz im Lot!
Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
Smiley guy seen when you read
Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
Me?
Je ne regrette rien!

Yes I do and no it isn't, you haven't the first clue what you're talking about!

There is far more to deal with than any busy road, so 'pedestrians and other vehicles' is a red herring, and as for adhesion of rubber to tarmac, do you really believe that is more volatile than adhesion of rotor to air?

It could be dangous, if done incorrectly, the same way as driving at 10mph with your eyes closed would be dangerous, but the speed it not the factor that makes it dangerous, it is the manner of conduct.

No I undersand that, but if you slip in an aircraft you have a chance of recovery as there's often more space to recover.

Two words:

Vortex Ring

Oh, and not much room at treetop height.

They can apparently throw balls of wool. They definitely barking. It Nanny knowing best again. Nanny need to think again about what meant by being "supercaloryfragisticallyexposedtosweetydoughnutwithherslushpoopy!"



But you cannot play tiggy tag in playgrounds or conker games.. or play on climbing frames or stand on the see-saw to ensure mates of equal size can go up und down on it. It why kids are getting a bit chubby really.

Everything as said seem to be "far too dangerous" these days.



Most probably.. as since when have you seen police tackle the yobs. Apparently Manchester press report that neither the yobs nor the police take any notice of the CCTV cams which boom out a telling off when they mis-behave. They just laugh und continue.. being t:censored:ts

It all lip service.. und the only folk inconvenienced und menaced are the hard working und decent minded.

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Nicht ganz im Lot!
Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
Smiley guy seen when you read
Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
Me?
Je ne regrette rien!

Hmm, I'm not sure this is a fair analogy though Robin. Pilots are trained to a far more rigorous programme than a car driver is and you are routinely checked so as to ensure your physical health, knowledge of the regs and ability to control the beast and react correctly to 'situations' are to the required standard are you not? It is in your own interests to brush up on your skills and knowledge else your career goes down the pan or you screw up; the majority of car drivers only find themselves in this situation once they've screwed up.

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Ah. You are now saying MORE dangerous than 60... I was under the impression you simply felt 90 was a step too far...

Well assuming that he sustained 90 mph for a considerable distance, and ignored any signs of danger, then the CONSEQUENCES could be more severe at 90 than 60.
But I would expect a trained police driver to be more than simply alert at 90, and to be in a well maintained vehicle - and constantly adjusting his speed, and position on the road to reduce RISK of some unforeseen cataclysmic occurrence from causing him or another road user harm.

I dont suspect for one moment that the risk of Med Hughes having or causing an accident was any greater at 90 than it would have been at 60.

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

I think we need to go back to why on earth did we invent cars in the first place? Presumably, to get from A to B quicker and better than the horse and cart.

So then comes the big question of how quick?

The only means people had to govern this was by posting a speed limit, but this has never ever represented what is a 'safe speed' for the conditions.

So weepej, exactly how would you govern the roads for maximum speed and safety?

It seems to me you critisize SS members without actually coming up with a viable and realistic method of safe traffic control.

Having brainwashed the general public into thinking speed is the enemy, at some point the Government will have to rethink thier stance on road safety sooner or later when the truth about their failed road policies eventually comes out.

Speed is just one aspect of a very big question. It may be useful to look at the ingredients but it's the cake that matters.

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.