Graeme wrote:
SafeSpeed wrote:
Nah. Ordinary people usually have much more to worry about than road safety. They get told that speed cameras solve safety problems and when the person doing the speaking has authority, why should they question the idea? This is made far worse because historically our national road safety messages have been excellent. How is an uninterested party supposed to find out that those they trusted are now talking rubbish?
This is interesting...
So what makes someone "ordinary" & what makes us not ordinary?
I think..tja...you are right. Ist an interesting question. We regard ourselves as ordinary.. bringing up the family.. educating them to be decent people as best we can,, und we also try to teach them to survive them naughty people on their bikes und in their cars!
Perhaps ... "everyone on the road ist an idiot.. und that include me for also being there as everyone's idiot ist another idiot!"
But ist perhaps apathy. People pass a test. That's it. That's the standard for life.. only after you pass that exam - you do not have the rubric to follow. You develop the bad habits.. you never improve or think about the mistakes und you consider everyone else but you make them.
Reps from firm got pinged in Lancs und offered the Speed Course. We were interested .. IG ist
und we are keenest drivers.
They asked who make the mistakes.. und no-one claimed they made them - apart from the reps who are IAM trained und said they did evaluate whatever "upset" them when driving .. to try to improve. Perhaps that ist part of it. You do IAM course.. they teach to observe.. und think about the drive und why you did this instead of that. Perhaps this ist what we need to get across into general standard in the test.. tell people .. stress to them that Test ist only beginning... likewise Bikeability (former Cycling Proficiency ) und passing this as child und then taking up a bicycle twenty years later "because of fashion, whim or hype" does not prepare these new cyclists for a changed traffic conditions for a cyclist who was proficient in adolescence. They need to refresh .. und so does a person who take test, pass it, not drive for years because he could not afford car und then take to road as qualified but with very rusty novice skills.
I redid all my driving tests after the incident. Perhaps that und the incident ist what make me "different" in attitude. Keen to stay alive out there.. und being toppest scientist
- perhaps this attention to detail in my day job also help me. Perhaps.. but then each job require "attention to details" und we should perhaps view driving with same pride as we take in jobs und homes und appearance (since we all like to dress up
) in gear
As I mentioned longest time ago back on PH when I first joined.. why I began to really question the effectiveness of the speed cam... it was when three reps were pinged. Up until their ping at 34 mph und 35 mph..
I had assumed the speed cam only pinged the truly OTT nuisances. I think that was the "majority or ordinary blokey bloke/girly girl" view.
The reps are all IAM members und were when pinged at these low speeds und they all were offered the COAST course.. which - although a good course - targeted the safest people. I have FOI on this course now. It give stunningly good results.. only its criteria for excellence ist based on the early returns of the 33-35 mph blip brigade....
They do not have sufficient data since they widened the target invites to cut off at all enforced speed limits to NSL to 10% + 5 - und the KSI rate for all this does not seem to improve in the area either. Ist another reason why we question.. especially when their press ist full of accidents involving drunks, stolens, defectives, uninsured, boy und girl racers.. und all in the small hours of the day. All the safety people seem to do ist puff their chests und claim they have reduced accidents..
at the sites of the speed cams - which are not really at the actual site but about 1 km from the spot .. away from the actual blackspot....
But people believe what they read in the papers. Or they don't read the papers. I am surprised how many do not read papers or watch the news .. und thier idea of using the internet ist to download iffy photos und book the last minute holidays or buy their weekly shop on-line....
Many have never heard of C+ nor CW nor PH nor safespeed. Some worryingly still do not know what a Gatso look like,
Though more have now heard of Paulie as he ist in the press more often... und it get more to think.
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How can the public be so blind? Unbelievable! 
My sisters sends me the scans..
