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Does Lionel know about us I wonder?

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Thats right where I live and, Gopher, the sentiments of Mr. Thatcher are absolutely correct. I'm trying to make contact with him to refer him to Paul and to support him in the local press.
It's quite right that virtually all the accidents on that stretch are at relatively low speed and well within the existing speed limit. The problem is the very poor road design and the large number of entry/exit points. These even occur at places where merging traffic is moving from lane 1 to lane 3, exiting traffic is moving from lane 3 to lane 1 and lane 1 ends with the ongoing road being just 3 lanes. Now, in addition to trying to avoid other vehicles, we must watch our average speed as well.
Even doing 60 along there is virtually impossible at peak time. In fact 30 would be good, so what good these cameras are going to do is hard to see. They won't even pay for themselves, let alone make the hoped-for profit the authorities are planning on to pay for them.
They really are a complete waste of OUR cash.

Oh good, thanks. Saves me a job on a very busy day.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

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why???

Perhaps I won't bother then

Is it just me or are the Scameraships now putting all their eggs in the SPECS basket? The reason I ask is that both the M4 and M3 roadworks that I have been through are using SPECS whereas previous M4 roadworks have used GATSOs.

If it is the case that there are more SPECS cameras, what other functions could they have apart from the simple average speed exceeded kerchinng one?

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Apart from the terrible findings in TRL595: http://www.safespeed.org.uk/trl595.html - I suspect a plot. SPECS cameras are very expensive indeed and use up the limited budgets faster. More SPECS mean fewer cameras, and that's what DfT wants.

See the newly uploaded 'letter' on the front page of the main website: http://www.safespeed.org.uk.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Since specs systems can also be used as anpr systems, I think you're confusing catching speeders with catching other offenders. The systems in northants can also be used to record vehicles passing through the area even if they are not speeding. And they can record more vehicles over a much longer timespan than basic 35mm truvelos etc. The possibility is there of having the systems tag cars without tax, mot or insurance. The software is continuously being upgraded.

I don't know where you got that from, but any software change would invalidate type approval.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

We are off to our relative's annual "do" in fortnight. Ist his wedding anniversary. He always has biggest party :

We always look up mobile scam timetables before we set off. We have mentioned before .. will provide link und do cut und paste nearer time .. but on the timetabled routes .. 2003-2006.. the scammers claimed "400 people died or seriously injured at the site in last 3 years"

We have never been held up und most at that party are medics at the two main hospitals in that area. None were called to a red alert of carnage of hundreds of dead, near dead und walking wounded.

Not one of this family und in-law family was held up in any one year (und he got married longest time ago.. he has one child hopefully qualifying as doctor this year ) for any "incident" either - und we were travelling down from Cumbria, Yorkshire, Durham, Northumberland, Cheshire, Manchester, North und South Wales, London, Hampshire, und Cornwall und Switzerland und Germany.

However, lieber Cooperman.. based on my occasional drives to see "Stray Cat" und my other cousin Klaril based down in East of England .. I think you are right. That A14 seem prone to micro-climate of GROUND FOG which can be very dense at times und fall suddenly too

As you rightly say ...



There are also some very strange signs warning that pedestrians may cross this very fast und busy dual carriageway.

Am not "native" to this area .. so I do not know how frequently these pedestrians may NEED to cross this road. But if this road divided a village und caused people to have to cross an NSL down to 50/60 mph dual carriageway .. then the moron behind the design should be shot! A footbridge or a subway should have been constructed to fulfill this need as much safer than endangering the lives of the pedestrians, cyclists und the drivers und their passengers

Und to place a speed scam at these points und "claim they save lives" ist just blatant self delusion to be kind und fraudulent fining folk to be blunt

I drive according to legal lolly .. und COAST principles ... but even a legal speed would not help if someone was crossing this road und misjudged the speed of the approaching car. The engineering of this road ist seriously flawed .. to criminally negligent boundary.

Why do they not just build a footbridge? It would be cheaper und more of an useful asset than the SPECS und Truvelos which seem favoured on this road.

Ach.. silly me! It not make the cash oh!



Ach.. in rush hour of course.. We do less than the 20 mph crawl.

But these will of course make loadsamoney in the wee small hours of course. und off-peak.

Liebchen .. you know as well as we do .. that this will create the big break -even und even beyond profit margins of the business plans

Nothing to do with the safety issues.

Everything to do with making a quick quid's profit off-peak times. I do think my origin earn its keep by just bleeping discreetly to remind me...

I do self-analyse .. I know that this doo-dah ist really my "comfort blanket" I usually see scam .. know ist there as "LUCRATIVE zone as opposed to DANGER ZONE

I drive to COAST... usually keep to speed limits anyways... but no one can ever claim to be purrrfect .. und any one drive will flux from 4 mph below to 4/5 mph above on average The bleeps just add the focus to attention und a check-see. As such - a safety device.. as it can "reign in" und keep road user und licence "safe"

But you look at these scams objectively .... the only danger would appear to be the assault on a bank account und wallet

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I see no reason why that should be so.
Separating the speed function from other offence functions can be carried out by other software. The system already records the registration numbers of vehicles in the speed mode, no problem with also using the system details to check for other offences. Since the ACPO already intend to "wire-up" the whole country for anpr, and the specs system already DOES that, it is obvious that it will be used for that purpose.

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:4CMHwY8JvF0J:www.acpo.police.uk/asp/policies/Data/anpr_strat_2005-08_march05_12x04x05.doc+acpo+anpr&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk&ie=UTF-8

Sorry about the html, but my system won't allow download of the .doc file !

Because john .. mein Liebchen

one mph above the level between the pairs und you are dooomed .. dooomed

Und you receive NIP und some people say in answer to







Und the scamerati get cash.. everyone else get .. und no lives are really saved anyway But... non-jobs get created und public "servant" pension potholes get filled und everyone in Nu Labia's lah-lah land happy und the normal are classed as "agents provocateurs" by daring to ask a question or three


PS .. gopher

Danke sehr

Forwarned ist forearmed

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Nicht ganz im Lot!
Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
Smiley guy seen when you read
Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
Me?
Je ne regrette rien!

Wildy my dear, it is always a delight to read your smiley infused posts, even if its sometimes hard going reading my own native language (I may try to get my own back one day and use excessively archaic english vocab to make you get your dictionary out )

You've clearly hit the nub of the matter that its about profit, if we didn't know that already. What strikes me is the sheer volume of cameras they intend to install. 32 in 14miles. So 2 per lane per segment (I believe its 2 lane dual carriageway around there?), thats 4 specs controlled segments over 14 miles.

Now my experience of SPECS controlled sections is that compliance is generally overly cautious, everyone driving at or below the speed limit throughout the section. In this sense they achieve their aim, however it doesn't account for the downside; of people who fear they may have blipped over, through inattention to the speedo (hopefully watching the road), slowing down to remakably slow speed since they have no way of judging their average speed for the section, particularly when they have no dea when it will end. They also promote speedo watching for vast stretches of road, not a good thing! My suspicion would be that 4 sections would overlap in order to maximise earning potential...

We have established that if you are caught by two seperate devices in the same act of speeding you are only guilty of one offence, and rightly so. If, however, you're caught by two separate (overlapping) specs segments, potentially by the same act of speeding, but only charging you with exceeding the speed limit on average rather than any specific offence, can you be charged twice do we think?

Either way, its a stinking waste of taxpayers money under false pretences of road safety!

If the software cannot be updated, does that mean that the changing lanes trick will work again?

If so then these cameras are going to kill for sure .

Lose the front plate and specs becomes impotent, redundant...virtually no traffic cops out there anyway so little chance of a pull.

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Believe nothing- Question everything.

Illegal means are never the way to solve a problem. Stay within the law and campaign for the unjust laws to be corrected.

My English teacher used to use Medieval und Middle English.. und the German one added to the "torture" by Mitteldeutsch"


Perhaps no wonder I got terribly confused as 15 year old .. what with Yorkshire English from my Mama.. obscure German from my German teacher .. along with requirement to speak, read,write understand High German as well as our Schwyzer.. und French und Italian und Romansch.//und an English teacher who definitley "had it in for me (or so my adolescent immaturity wanted to think ) ... but can cope with dictionary

Mad Doc got bit hot under collar though when he had to explain what was being meant by a "string of pearls" once.

Longest story .. it was PH und sassiest Vispy und my Dibbles are to blame as pee cee culture mean I have to pass the buck here


I really did think they were talking about .. er .. um jewellery und sheer beauty of pearls at the time oops1:

I nearly died of embarrassment when Mad Doc explain

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Nicht ganz im Lot!
Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
Smiley guy seen when you read
Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
Me?
Je ne regrette rien!

I dont know why you feel embarrassed about this...


there is nothing wrong with String of Pearls - it's a fine piece of music, and a popular band which play similar music!
http://www.stringofpearlsband.com/

Did you by any chance mean Pearl Necklace?

However if I were a highways engineer responsible for this stretch of road, THAT would be embarrassing!

Cameras are about safety..... JOB safety for scamera partnership employees!

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

The Boys in Blue have been very busy along the A14 in Cambridgeshire and Suffolk over the last few weeks. I have seen somebody getting a 'talking to' every day this week.

Yes, they have been busy. 2 little 'Police Girlies' in a marked car moved me on when I parked with my grandson outside the fish & chip shop in Somersham whilst he nipped in and got 2 lots of cod and chips