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The Sunday Times, 3 June 2007

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol/li ... 870320.ece

How a safe driver suddenly faced losing his licence

Tim Rayment was a model motorist who made a point of obeying the law to the letter. Then, in one forgetful and unlucky spell, he became a rueful casualty of speed-trap Britain. There’s something not quite right here, he says

Tony the taxi driver was not optimistic. “You’ve lost your licence,” he said. He had plenty of experience of conveying motorists to court for speeding cases, and mine promised to be an open-and-shut example.

How quickly we can say goodbye to our licences. For years I was quietly proud as a high-mileage driver that mine was clean. But in the space of 12 weeks I went from three penalty points to an almost certain ban, and as I stood last Tuesday before Gloucester magistrates I knew that my life was about to change.

When you hear the details, you might think that I deserve to lose the privilege of driving, and I am not going to disagree. There is no excuse for travelling, even briefly, in light traffic and good visibility, on a motorway at 100mph. Even so, as I faced justice on the very spot where Fred West, the serial killer, was remanded in custody, I could not help pondering how the motorist’s world has changed.

As a younger man I did my share of speeding. But mature people grow out of antisocial driving, and after the birth of my first child in 1997 I acquired the imagination that perhaps I should have had earlier.

Which means that these days you are likely to find me at the head of a queue of traffic travelling at around 30mph in built-up areas, and at exactly 40mph in a 40mph zone. My own mother criticised me recently for driving “like a grandad”.

This is not because I have points on my licence and wish to protect it. It is because it is right.

Of course, I still enjoy a good car on an interesting road and always will. But I throw black glances at anyone travelling at more than 35mph through the village where I live. I’ve never owned a radar detector, because I believe that people who are prosecuted for speeding deserve it: being caught means they were not paying attention.

I accept the case for speed cameras. And a clue to my general driving style is that I not only match a manufacturer’s economy claims but actually better the official figures, and by a significant degree.

Which makes it slightly odd that, thanks to those cameras, and three failures to follow my own principles, I was in the dock last week.

Offence number one happened in a line of traffic on one of those fast rural roads that goes from 60mph to 40 and then to 30, before going up to 60 again. We were travelling at 35mph. I slowed to pass some parked cars while the drivers ahead pressed on blithely at 35.

When the road was clear again I closed the gap to the cars ahead by increasing my speed to 38mph. And was filmed by a mobile camera van. I saw the van and lifted off, but too late. Three penalty points, £60 fine, £50 on the insurance.

Offence number two is what brought me to court on Tuesday. You’ll have to take my word for this, but I don’t do three-figure speeds any more. I’m not saying I was innocent – I hadn’t been monitoring my speed. But this must be the only time in years that I have travelled at licence-losing velocity on a British motorway – straight into the lens of a laser device that can read your speed from nearly a mile away. Again, I saw the police Mercedes, which was parked to one side of a bridge on the M5. Again, too late. The device read 100.3mph.

Then, idiotically, while waiting for my mandatory court appearance for breaking the motorway speed limit by more than 30mph, I repeated offence number one, was filmed by another mobile camera and collected another three points. Making six points before the court date. Which gives me the appearance of a serial offender from whom you, the public, must be protected.

Now don’t misunderstand me: I am not complaining. I broke the law and I accept my deserts. But I can’t help thinking that something here is not quite right, because I know that I am a slower, safer driver than in my younger days.

Was the balance wrong in the 1980s, when I would be stopped from time to time by police, given a warning and sent on my way? I think so. We needed to get tougher on speeding, especially in urban areas. But there is a difference between getting tough and abandoning all discretion.

It is divine retribution, you might think, that last week I appeared in these pages to tempt a devout member of the Amish community with a 200mph Bentley, and this week I am here to recount my appearance in the dock. Waiting for the court date, I went through all the little last times – no need to save 20p for checking tyre pressures; no more 600-mile round trips at weekends to see my 10-year-old son. I didn’t realise I have happy memories of motorway services up and down the M5, which is on my route to him, until the summons arrived, with its silent threat that soon I would not be using services at all. Under the totting-up process all the magistrates had to do was to add six points and I would be disqualified for at least six months.

Friends advised me to hire a lawyer such as the famous Mr Loophole, but I decided to speak for myself. I did not research the law; I simply told the truth. And a minor miracle happened.

After describing details of my life, I was banned as I expected. But only for seven days, and with no points added to my licence. Under section 34 of the Road Traffic Offences Act, and thanks to the precedent of a 2001 case, the magistrates ruled that a ban would cause “exceptional hardship” because of my family commitments. I was saved from a lengthy disqualification because I live in a rural area, and need a car to see my son.

I still have six points from the mobile camera vans, and the law is clear that exceptional hardship cannot save you more than once. Legal experts say few cases are likely to enjoy the same outcome, because totting-up is intended to impose a “reasonably substantial” disqualification on persistent offenders.

But it is a joy to find that there is still some human judgment in the system. We know there is none at the roadside. But it does exist in the courts. Thank you, Gloucester magistrates
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Million face a ban – and new cameras are on the way

More than 1m British motorists are on the brink of losing their licences because of the rapid rise in speed camera numbers and the increasing use of digital technology.

According to a recent study, 16% of drivers – more than 5m – have penalty points for speeding and a fifth of these are just one camera flash from disqualification. The number of drivers three points from a ban has risen by 4% in just 12 months, according to the report by Direct Line insurance, putting huge numbers of people in danger of losing their jobs if they find themselves unable to drive.

Under the current totting-up system, four minor infringements could result in 12 points on your licence and an automatic ban.

Drivers have paid more than £300m in speeding fines in the past three years and nearly half of all speeding offences involve drivers breaking the limit by less than 10mph, according to Direct Line’s research.

In March The Sunday Times revealed that a new generation of digital Truvelo speed cameras undergoing trials on the A4 in London, was due to be installed across Britain. Truvelo cameras are front-facing so are able to photograph the driver as well as the numberplate, leaving no doubt about who was behind the wheel.

There are also plans to replace old-style Gatso cameras with digital versions capable of storing thousands of images.

It is thought the changes could double the number of drivers caught by speed traps because at the moment only an estimated one in four cameras are “live”, to limit the work needed in replacing film.


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Tim Rayment was a model motorist who made a point of obeying the law to the letter.


just like all the other fools who claim they never speed then. I think a far longer ban was in order for that reason alone, not getting off because he's defending them in print.


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the magistrates ruled that a ban would cause “exceptional hardship” because of my family commitments. I was saved from a lengthy disqualification

So had he not had the family commitments would it be it safe to say he wouldn't have been such a wet tea bag?

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Tim Rayment was a model motorist who made a point of obeying the law to the letter.


just like all the other fools who claim they never speed then. I think a far longer ban was in order for that reason alone, not getting off because he's defending them in print.


He states that he tries to travel legally and you castigate him. He has chosen a safe speed based on his set of values. The safespeed policy is that drivers should be able to choose their own safe speed, n'est pas?

Or did I get that wrong - the safespeed policy is that drivers should choose their own safe and illegal speed?

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Tim Rayment was a model motorist who made a point of obeying the law to the letter.


just like all the other fools who claim they never speed then. I think a far longer ban was in order for that reason alone, not getting off because he's defending them in print.


He states that he tries to travel legally and you castigate him. He has chosen a safe speed based on his set of values. The safespeed policy is that drivers should be able to choose their own safe speed, n'est pas?

Or did I get that wrong - the safespeed policy is that drivers should choose their own safe and illegal speed?


The 'safe speed policy' is that drivers should set (and be encouraged to set) their own safe and appropriate speeds according to the best possible criteria. It's extremely hard to see how the speed limit could safely form a major component of the criteria set.

As soon as legal considerations overwhelm safety considerations there is increased danger.

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handy wrote:
He states that he tries to travel legally and you castigate him.

no, he states that he "made a point of obeying the law to the letter" but somehow manages to get caught at 30% over the limit 3 times including somehow 'accidentally' driving at over 100mph. The point is the guy is a hypocrite and nothing to do with whether his chosen speeds were safe for the conditions.


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A very honest account I have to say.
Sounds like Mr Rayment has given himself and others who feel like him something to think about. He probably believed himself to be immune to the bite of the speed camera as he always tries to drive lawfully. You are right Mr Rayment, something isn't quite right about it all is there.

And no, I don't believe myself to be immune because I try to remain within the law either - I'm not that daft :lol:


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I anwered a survey on yougov a while ago and the questions were based around speed. I fessed up, yes i exceed the limit every time i drive but the answer is only probably, not definately. the reason for this is because i was one of the skint youth that kept his vehicle in roadworthy condition but got fed up with replacing speedo cables, which always seemd like an after thought on bikes. so for many years i had no speedo. i've only been busted for speeding twice since 1979. i'm more concerned with what's going on around me than looking at a clock and i drive/ride within the vhicles limits, my limits and those of the road conditions, weather traffic etc, which is why I can frequently be found doing a fair bit under as well as over the prescribed limit.

the above report sounds more like the bleating of an habitual speeder who finally got caught. like a mate who was done for DD. he was a bit pissed when i said "ah well it was only a matter of time" as he was/is a drinker but wont seperate it from driving. I added that it's only a matter of time before i get banned for speeding, he saw my point then.


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This man would seem to be no more than a self righteous, holier-than-though hypocritical prig.

It would seem for years he has been preaching how good he was at sticking to the letter of the law on speed limits, and all the guff to go with it, when it is quite apparent he was speeding just as much as anyone else and has now been caught.

What this case shows is that even those who think they are so goody-goody about sticking to the speed limits, are just as likely to find themselves with speeding fines and penalty points.

I am just waiting for the news that one of the ladies from Brake and Road Peace find themselves done for “dangerous” speeding, but I expect they will keep, or have kept, very quiet about it.

It all just goes to shows the failure and futility of speed cameras and how they are just being used to obtain money from perfectly safe drivers trying to go about their business as lawfully as they reasonably can, without producing any benefit to road safety.


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I kinda lost all respect for him as I got to the "100.3MPH" bit....:o
To get a reduced ban under the old 'undue hardship' title was lucky...What I would call undue hardship would be his son never seeing his Dad again because he'd had a blow out or some catastrophic mechanical failure at that speed...


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I object to the headline. There is no evidence that this man is, in fact, a safe driver.

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...What I would call undue hardship would be his son never seeing his Dad again because he'd had a blow out or some catastrophic mechanical failure at that speed...


This argument simply does not stack up... What if he had been a German?

I addressed it in more detail in a PR about Mark Milton (the '159mph cop'). See: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SafeSpeedPR/message/201

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Issue 1: Is 159mph automatically dangerous?

Unlike the other issues, this one has a clear and certain answer. 159mph is
NOT automatically dangerous. If we accept a) 'dangerous' is a relative term
and b) 159mph would not be particularly dangerous on a closed test track in a
suitable vehicle, then the question really becomes: is the environment safe
enough to support a speed of 159mph? This is the real issue.

It's easy to make the mistake of comparing the safety of say 70mph to 159mph
in some unusual circumstance and conclude that 159mph must be relatively more
dangerous. For example the argument might go: 'But what if you had a tyre
failure? Wouldn't 159mph be "more dangerous" than 70mph? But a tyre failure at
70mph is potentially extremely dangerous - yet we choose to accept that danger
as part of our normal lives. The increase in danger at 159mph isn't that
great. It's real but it's rare and unusual. The real danger of speed arises
when the speed is unsuitable for the environment. So actually we'd be asking
entirely the wrong question.

Safe driving at any speed involves ensuring that the speed is suitable for the
environment. A failure to do this increases danger very markedly, and we would
correctly term the speed: "dangerous". One vital test of the safety of a speed
is to ask if it is possible to stop within the space that the driver knows to
be clear.

It's entirely possible for 15mph to be murderously fast, for example in a
crowded market street, and equally it's possible for 159mph to carry no
special risk and to be properly termed 'safe'.

A driver's primary responsibility to safety is to ensure that his speed is
appropriate to the environment.

Imagine, for example, driving faster and faster round a bend. At some speed -
a speed which is too fast for the bend - a crash becomes inevitable. We're no
longer talking about a once-in-a-lifetime tyre failure - we're talking about a
certain crash. The risk due to speed suddenly went off the scale. That's an
example of what it really means to drive 'too fast'.

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'I am just waiting for the news that one of the ladies from Brake and Road Peace find themselves done for “dangerous” speeding, but I expect they will keep, or have kept, very quiet about it.'


FOI :?


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'I am just waiting for the news that one of the ladies from Brake and Road Peace find themselves done for “dangerous” speeding, but I expect they will keep, or have kept, very quiet about it.'


FOI :?


FOI does not apply to private bodies, only public organisations.
Anyway, do that lot even actually drive?
All this 'points obsession' will do is to devalue the application of points as an indicator of safe drivers, increase the number disqualified and, as a direct result, increase the number of those driving whilst disqualified (DWD). In the past, DWD was regarded as a very serious and rather unusual offence. It will become increasingly viewed as less serious as the incidence of it increases, in the same way that smoking cannabis was regarded as very serious in the 50's, but now it is virtually accepted as the norm in some areas.
It seems that most other countries are not so keen to disqualify and take a much more pragmatic view of driving offences.


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That'll teach him!

I say time and time again that everyone will get caught it's just a numbers game.

What do I get? 'no no I obey the limit'

Good enough for him.


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two things strike me as odd with that article.

1. no points. correct me if I'm wrong but I thought you could have 10+ points and be exceptionally not banned? evan if not why not 3 points, as that'd not leave him banned? (not saying thats what should have happened IMO, just it'd seem the more consistent thing to do...)

2. ton-up without realising it? now i know modern cars are design to cruise safely at such velocities with all the drama we'd have experienced in older cars, but it's still a big old jump from 70, especially for some who claims absolute compliance with the law. you could give him maybe 80 or so, quite easy if the motorway crests a hill or suchlike, but if he can't tell 100 from 70 I'd have to question his competance.

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Oscar wrote:
Quote:- 'I am just waiting for the news that one of the ladies from Brake and Road Peace find themselves done for “dangerous” speeding, but I expect they will keep, or have kept, very quiet about it.'

FOI :?

Who would you ask. Anyway would be stopped by the Data Protection Act, unless they get to 12 points and have to go to court.

I hoping we get to 4 million, then 8 million, speeding tickets per year, and a million disqualifications, by which time their will be rioting in the streets.


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I hoping we get to 4 million, then 8 million, speeding tickets per year...


Not much chance of that with present legislation. The courts and the CPS are atfull stretch dealing with the not guilty pleas of ~2.2million.

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28 years (oh is it really that long :)) without a single point and you'll get no claims of speeding piety from me either. But since I don't have a bleeding heart, live in the country, son 300 miles away, pass the tissues sob story to peddle why should I most likely be given a harsher punishment for a similar offence? Sheesh, exceptional circumstances should mean just that - exceptional. And having children to care for isn't exceptional.

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I hope the guy learns his lesson and goes out and buys a laser jammer.

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