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Saw this while lurking:

http://www.cyclingplus.co.uk/forum/topi ... _ID=129963

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Really? A related thread

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How are buses any better? Car = small metal box with internal combustion engine. Bus = large metal box with internal combustion engine.

Reducing throughput would reduce congestion? How?

There would be no need to get out of second gear, would there?

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Andrew.

This paragraph seem most worrying to me:



To me that makes it sound as if they're so car hating, that if they get their way, they'll want to allow buses to legally go faster than cars.

London won't be the only place, when you look around the web this is going to happen country wide.

I also came across this on my travel's

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

The claims made are absolute rubbish. There is no evidence base for any of them.

Since when do greens, politicians or luddites need evidence ?
The same sort of argument is being used in the global warming swindle/s.
The argument SOUNDS right, so it MUST be right.
The fact that there are more accidents in 20 zones only means that car drivers are not driving properly. It cannot be the 20 zones, because logically driving at 20 MUST be safer than driving at 30. You forget, you're dealing with people dedicated to the FACT that they are in possession of more intelligence and ability than other people. So, they cannot be wrong. All the "facts" that you bring to bear will not affect their decision, they are never wrong.
If this was still a democracy there may have (eventually) been some chance of having some of the assorted morons we elect see daylight. But no more. Along with various other problems, work has to be found for the extra 750,000 public servants that have been employed over the last 5 years.
This is not a dig at the MPs'...ALL the morons we elect (national and local) share the blame for employing the assorted over-paid chancers we now pay for. The local country park used to be run by the council, now it's run by the woodland trust (several hundred million pounds per year to employ people who play evolutionist) and the wildlife trust (who cost the same and don't know much about wildlife.....)...as a result they are happily cutting down trees everywhere. Not only that, but the traffic lights in town have been replaced with new ones that allow the timing to be varied at will. As a consequence of this the traffic on the A6 (which runs down the high street) has to suffer a GO period of 7 seconds, while the traffic on the other governed roads have a 33 second interval. Not surprisingly, you end up with a queue a mile and a half long at peak traffic times. It is good for the pollution problem in the high street, but only because it's shoved it to the other roads which are not monitored !

I doubt anyone will be surprised to learn that the women doesn't really care about road safety. I had some fool from TFL telling me that the goat track they call Peckham Road hasn't been repaired in over a year because they didn't have the budget and, besides, they were too busy trying to blame Thames Water (even though Thames water's repairs are the best bits to ride on).
I forwarded his reply on to Ms Jones and asked her why, given Ken's grand plan to turn London into a cycling nirvana, nothing was being done about a main road that was in a highly dangerous state for cyclists.
Do you think she could be bother to even reply?
Meanwhile the road keeps getting worse...

Can they guarantee 20mph, wouldn't that double the average speed in London?

fatboytim

It's a well known fact that buses don't hurt if you get hit by one at 30 - it's only cars that kill people!

I like this bit...

"Roger Geffen of cyclists' organisation CTC, said: "20mph makes sense not just for road safety; it also means cleaner air, less congestion and more people taking up cycling and walking. It would cut costs and bureaucracy enormously."

If there's less congestion won't MORE people want to drive????

Isn't congestion just another way of saying moving slowly?

And like anyone is really put off walking by vehicles above 20mph. I walk a lot, and the times I don't it's because I'm too lazy or it's wet out.

My bold. How exactly would a 20mph limit cut costs and bureaucracy? Would any civil servants be made redundant?

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

And don't forget this: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SafeSpeedPR/message/281

Average crash severities are higher in 20mph zones than 30mph zones.

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Paul Smith
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The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

I've heard that Ken Livingstone has gone to New York to tell the Mayor of New York just how wonderful his Kengestion charge is and that New York should adopt such a system. How did Ken get to New York?

Is it:

A. By video conferencing ?

B. By bus ?

C. By train ?

D. By an air polluting transatlantic wide bodied jet that contributes so much CO2 to Global Warming?



HYPOCRITE!

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My thoughts exactly

I thought I read in a Cycling Rag .. courtesy of IG on here that the cyclists were moaning that the congestion charge actually allowed traffic to [i] move a bit more [i] and that this "caused danger"

I wonder if this limit will prevail for the cyclists - especially when all the streets of London are congested with millions of Londoners on bicycles.

9 million bicycles in Beijing. Krissi (my in-law) does not scare that easily but she looked terrified on that holiday video they took once. I shall try to get her permission for a viewing amongst members only if I can.

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Option B and C might be a bit unreasonable!

I was going to include the options D: By bicycle and E: He walked there. That's strectching the point. He can't walk on water...yet!

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He's in training -isn't he .




That was first thought that came to mind too.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on