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I note that this car had been parked up for two whole days and had FALSE plates and NOT been found yet

Wonder how many speed cams pinged it then There are a couple around there per my sisters and brother based down in the 'burbs.

But even when stopped by a LONE traffic officer He was overpowered by three yobs. We cannot expect him to place his life in danger to that extent - and why the hell are two officers not doing those essential traffic/routine plod patrols?

I am concerned at the manner this officer was attacked. After all one did get shot on Boxing Day when pulling a suspected stolen BMW a couple of years ago.



I think that has to be an understatement. They were not wearing balaclavas or wielding sledgehammers as part of a fancy dress party.

I do not quite understand his other comment. What has happened to communication and intelligence.

But I am glad the officer was not hurt and it does show up the dangers they can be in - especially when on a lone patrol

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This happens nearly every day all over our force area and I am sure in lots of other force areas too. Single crewed vehicles are becoming more and more common,not only on mornings and afternoons but they are becoming more and more prevalent on nights now.

The theory brhind this is if they have single crews out then they can have twice as many patrols to get round the jobs that are outstanding,I feel that it is a false economy so to speak, as they have to send someone to back up at jobs like domestics and assaults. Then like this bank holiday as it is double time pay they only pay half so only half the patrols on due to this I am on my own all next week on nights covering two divisions , and both divisions have more criminals on them than any other in the force .

There are more drink drivers who when they see a single crewed traffic car will more often than not attempt to get away from you by either assaulting you or running off and if you chase them you will then have trouble.

The other behaviour from motorists these days are to try and ram you when you pull up behind them, then drive off this happened to a colleague only yesterday (Friday) then drove off at speed but after a short pursuit he was detained but not after a fight. Whats the answer who knows perhaps give us PCSOs to drive around with.
Stephen

We have mixes - single and dual crews. Depends on staff available and intelligence too.



Agreed. False economy . Puts crews out there in danger too,






Oh - how we know that one.


But it does not help long term. I do not know if this is a symptom of automated enforcement. I only know N Yorks and Durham try to keep a two man cres as best they can. Soemtiems wew have to go with the one as better than none.



We are testing that one out here - PCSOs or HATOs pairing with a properly trained officer with BITE

I am appalled that this officer faced such danger. He was very brave in that situation. But even a HATo/PCSO/ or a special could have helped him in that extremely dangerous situation.

But as Ted says - it does indeed highlight the dangers our crews face out there.

I do hope that officer's bravery gets recognised. It takes courage to confront such thugs and he did the sensible thing as he was obviouslly up against three to one here.

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That's absolutely disgraceful.

If only the annual #100 million road safety grant was used to employ trafpols (I reckon you could have an extra 3000 cops with that money) rather than erecting speed cameras, we might have half a chance of catching the criminals and dangerous drivers out there.

Come to Cumbria - and see the area covered, and the topography.

It's no wonder well appointed holiday homes and isolated houses get targeted by gangs who drive into the area to commit crimes.
I just hope they dont break the limit as they pass through Ings!

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Look.. our patch certainly cannot pretend to be perfect. We can improve.

We do not have a scam pratenrship - which means we do not have to put some budget into one

Rules have changed .. and all this means is that Co Durham continue to provide the service their public want and require anyway. :winK:

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In Gear I was having a laugh when I said perhaps we should have PCSOs double crewing our TO. No disrespect to them there heart is in the right place but at the best I would sooner work with a special as he has got powers and PPE to help in these type of situations.

I do feel that we should make more use of the special constabulary and possibly use the budget that the PCSOs use for them then we would see a great deal of more police officers on the street even though they are only part time, as specials can and do deal with incidents without having to call for a police officer to take the job over if it involves anything more than taking names and addresses.

I am not having a go at these fine men and woman but if we let the government get there way we will see HATOs and PCSos taking over and less and less police officers being recruited.

I would seriously be better off single crewed than work with one of the above because as they are at the minute they are a liability, and most half descent criminal knows the difference between a Police officer and a PCSO and I dont have to look after the both of us.

Now with a special they look the same and are in possession of all the necessary equipment to assist me in the time of need and can assist in splitting the paperwork when dealing with a prisoner.

Some supervisors will routinely single crew there staff at all times and when challenged on this he states that he has made a risk assessment and he doesnt feel the need to double staff.

The only cars that are double crewed on nights are ones with female officers in them as the risk assessment is based on vulnerability and apparently a woman is more vulnerable than a man, I would agree they have weaknesses both in strength and stature in certain circumstances.

Perhaps the issue of a stungun may be the answer who knows, can you imagine it no more running just shout " STOP OR I WILL SHOOT " then zap 50000 volts brings him to the floor, and a gentle stroal over to pick him up only to find that yes , he was drunk and that was why, he run off from you,but the reason he didnt stop was beacause he was deaf.

Can you imagine that, yes, it has happened to me twice now over the last 17yrs not much under normal circumstances, but when you have just discharged 50000 volts into someone, then perhaps this may be a reason for making sure doubling crewing is more cost effective

Granted they have limited capabilities and experience, but a PSCO would surely add presence? Evan just sat in the car or stood looking gormless, many would be more reluctant to attack than a lone policeman, there's a gulf between 1 man on his own and one with backup, regardless of how good that backup may be. Not saying they're the best option, but in cut-price britain if they're all thats being offered...

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I wonder why they don't make more use of specials pairing with the regulars?

I do see our police pairing with plastics on patrol sometimes. But even if they cannot arrest - they can at least assist the officer if the suspect becomes violent and their witness to what happened would also be better than nothing.

I want more real police though. I see these plastics or glorified wardens as wasting resources. Why not just recruit normal admin staff to process the paperwork and spend real cash on real policemen. (They had this before .. they actually did catch more burglars too when they did this )

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