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“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 17:20 
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I cannot comment as I'm currently off work sick :lol:

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In the recruitment industry, it's interesting to see how little sickness happens to sub-contract workers who are paid by the hour. Sub-contractors rarely have 'bad backs', 'migraine headaches', 'man flu', 'the runs', etc. No, they turn up and work for which they get paid. It's this 'self-certification' which has caused the current situation and the fact that large numbers of our work force have become, quite simply, malingers. Go back to the situation where you could have up to 5 days sick per annum with full pay, after which all sickness had to be supported by a doctor's certificate for any pay to be due, this applying to as little as 1 day sick.


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My relatives work there.

well ........ I say work.....they certainly have plenty of sick days.


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The people I have spoken to at DVLA do not sound well. They sound opressed unsupported and totaly fed up.

The job must be soul destroying to any inteligent human.

I am against hourly paid agency workers who turn up dripping with flu, or messing up my car registration because they have a migrane..... Or even worse the agency chief who reports for work when he shill has the runs.

As for those sandwiches you buy at the corner shop... are they made by someone who should be at home sick?

Road tax should be abolised anyway and put on fuel.
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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code


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Abolish VED

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close the place down and put everyone out of their misery.


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And at my place, more than 3 or 4 days a year makes you really stand out.


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Cooperman wrote:
In the recruitment industry, it's interesting to see how little sickness happens to sub-contract workers who are paid by the hour. Sub-contractors rarely have 'bad backs', 'migraine headaches', 'man flu', 'the runs', etc. No, they turn up and work for which they get paid. It's this 'self-certification' which has caused the current situation and the fact that large numbers of our work force have become, quite simply, malingers. Go back to the situation where you could have up to 5 days sick per annum with full pay, after which all sickness had to be supported by a doctor's certificate for any pay to be due, this applying to as little as 1 day sick.


Of course the hourly-paid turn up, even when sick, they do not get paid if they don't. Never mind the rest of the workers.... Who can survive on the £70.05 a week of statutory sick pay ? (after the first 4 days)


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The job must be soul destroying to any intelligent human.

Didn't know you needed to be intelligent to work there. I expect they will be the next government department to put all our details on the internet or loose the DVDs containing the information in the post.

So far they seem to have been very successful at loosing driver's licence entitlements, which is worrying me like hell, as I may soon need to change from my old style licence.
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I expect they will be the next government department to put all our details on the internet or loose the DVDs containing the information in the post.



No, the dvla have it sussed. They sell your details. It saves on security and recoups the costs


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Cooperman wrote:
In the recruitment industry, it's interesting to see how little sickness happens to sub-contract workers who are paid by the hour.


IME, it also seems to be uncommon amongst permanent employees who have pride in their work or are employed by a company that seems to care about its employees...

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Twister wrote:
Cooperman wrote:
In the recruitment industry, it's interesting to see how little sickness happens to sub-contract workers who are paid by the hour.


IME, it also seems to be uncommon amongst permanent employees who have pride in their work or are employed by a company that seems to care about its employees...


Absolutely right. If you enjoy going to work, you find every reason for going. If you don't, you'll use any reason not to be there. I suppose that's me 'stating the b****y obvious'.
Maybe the answer is an 'attendance bonus' for achieving 97%+ attendance in the year.


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Maybe the answer is an 'attendance bonus' for achieving 97%+ attendance in the year.


Hmm, isn't that a bit of a sticking plaster solution though? It could also potentially act as a source of resentment between a worker who genuinely needs to take just enough sick leave to push them under the bonus cut-off point, but who is otherwise a model employee giving 100% every day they're at work, and a colleague who turns up every day but does the bare minimum required, and contributes less overall to the business throughout the year.

I'd prefer to see more companies which have significant absenteeism problems take a deep breath and ask themselves awkward/embarrassing questions such as "why do so many of our employees seem to hate working here, and what can we change/which managers do we need to retrain/fire to make things better for them?" If nothing is done to improve the working environment, style of management, levels of understaffing/overloading or whatever is at the heart of the problem, then attendance might well improve, but morale/attentiveness to detail/pride in ones work will probably still be down in the gutter.

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Twister wrote:
Cooperman wrote:
Maybe the answer is an 'attendance bonus' for achieving 97%+ attendance in the year.


Hmm, isn't that a bit of a sticking plaster solution though? It could also potentially act as a source of resentment between a worker who genuinely needs to take just enough sick leave to push them under the bonus cut-off point, but who is otherwise a model employee giving 100% every day they're at work, and a colleague who turns up every day but does the bare minimum required, and contributes less overall to the business throughout the year.

I'd prefer to see more companies which have significant absenteeism problems take a deep breath and ask themselves awkward/embarrassing questions such as "why do so many of our employees seem to hate working here, and what can we change/which managers do we need to retrain/fire to make things better for them?" If nothing is done to improve the working environment, style of management, levels of understaffing/overloading or whatever is at the heart of the problem, then attendance might well improve, but morale/attentiveness to detail/pride in ones work will probably still be down in the gutter.


It's not easy for top management to ask themselves those questions as they all believe that their company is the best to work for and everyone loves their job.

I would rather someone with the squits or a cold didn't come into the office. Most offices nowadays are air-conditioned and it's amazing how quick a run of flu or a cold can transfer itself. Better to have one person out for a couple or three days than have a large section of the workforce out all at once.

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Funnily enough I was just thinking yesterday how pissed off im getting with members of staff at my work being off every other day for the smallest of things yet i've never been off once in the 5 years i've been working even when i've had to keep running out of the office to throw up.


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Funnily enough I was just thinking yesterday how pissed off im getting with members of staff at my work being off every other day for the smallest of things yet i've never been off once in the 5 years i've been working even when i've had to keep running out of the office to throw up.


Maybe they're off work because you keep infecting them with your bugs ?


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