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So, they publicised the fact that the camera was out of action so that people could speed away to their hearts content did they? You only need to put up the box and the signs and not the actual camera to make people dangerously panic brake at the site.

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

As I posted earlier ----

Has the worm turned / is this sense in road safety terms /is it party politics ---certainly the first step on the road (pun intended) to road safety sanity - at last are the inmates being put back inside the asylum .
I'd like to think that this is politicians bowing to public opinion , but I fear an alternative motive .(Such as vote hunting )

But then again , having tried a "NEW " approach to road safety -they might believe in it enough to make the figures justify the result and ,who knows ,other councils might do likewise -bit like the domino effect

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Nowt to do with motoring sympathy.

100% to do with the fact they no longer receive any money from them. If hypothecation was still going, there would likely be an increase in cameras in Swindon.

The Express has more

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/525 ... d-cameras-

Which is why the government kept the cash and gave the safety partnerships peanuts. So they would cut back on cameras.
It's all politics. In any case, who cares. Oh, sorry, the people who run the safety partnerships. No more plasma teles.....having to scrape for cash to pay the salaries. Good. Maybe they can end the conspiracies that we have running in the courts, where the magistrates are part of the prosecuting team.

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

The end of hypothecation was always going to spell the end for cameras.

Now that the police/LA's etc have to make hard choices from a fixed budget the mind is more focussed on real road safety priorities.

BBC version here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/7506689.stm



I believe some councillor in Bolton are aware that the camera case is flawed.
Let's hope the actions result from the words!

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

Can't find an answer - so let's throw some mud -
Quotes whole article (from Yahoo news -but only after you sign in)

"Press Assoc. - 35 minutes agoThe leader of a council which is considering scrapping speed cameras was once banned from driving for speeding, it has been revealed.

(Advertisement)
Swindon Borough Council is looking at proposals to get rid of cameras and find other ways to spend the £400,000 annual contribution it currently makes to the local safety camera partnership.

Roderick Bluh, the leader of the Conservative-controlled council, was banned for three months after he collected 12 penalty points on his licence for speeding.

Mr Bluh said the ban, which was imposed before he became Swindon Council leader in 2006, had changed his behaviour but said there were other ways to improve people's driving.

"I was banned for three months. It has affected my behaviour," he said.

"But all cameras do is catch you when you have speeded."

Swindon South MP Anne Snelgrove, who is parliamentary private secretary to Transport Secretary Ruth Kelly, called on the council to reject the plan.

"It will be an invitation to boy racers from all over the country to come to Swindon and break the speed limit with no fear of a fine or points on their licence," she warned.

"I'm urging the council to think again. They need to think about the safety of the children of Swindon on our roads."

Mr Bluh said Conservative councillors moved a motion on the issue two months ago and a decision will be made by September."

OH- and lets not forget about the boy racers and the children (now goes away with visions of child racers )

Edit -

found a link - -click on the UK tab at the top

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

I see the Grumpy Old Sod has made Anne Snelgrove his "Wanker of the Week"

http://www.grumpyoldsod.com/wanker%20of ... 20week.asp

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

And from here.
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/disp ... 82.0.0.php

Posted by: Cllr. Peter Greenhalgh, West Swindon on 9:20am Mon 14 Jul 08
I am disappointed Jeremy Grimaldi only used a very small quote from me. I pointed out to him that the covered camera sites are an operational matter for the Swindon and Wiltshire Safety Camera Partnership - they have nothing whatsoever to do with Swindon Borough Council. Far be it from me to suggest Anne Snelgrove MP actually check her fact before making pathetic political statements. Might I also suggest to Anne that she spend more time trying to secure a better funding deal for Swindon as a whole instead of voting to keep the details of her expenses secret from her electorate ! When Anne Snelgrove MP starts working to the same level of transparency that local Councillors do, perhaps people may start listening to her. Discussions are ongoing with regard to the funding Swindon Borough Council put into the partnership but we have no responsibility for the operation of the Cameras.
I am disappointed Jeremy Grimaldi only used a very small quote from me.

I pointed out to him that the covered camera sites are an operational matter for the Swindon and Wiltshire Safety Camera Partnership - they have nothing whatsoever to do with Swindon Borough Council.

Far be it from me to suggest Anne Snelgrove MP actually check her fact before making pathetic political statements.

Might I also suggest to Anne that she spend more time trying to secure a better funding deal for Swindon as a whole instead of voting to keep the details of her expenses secret from her electorate !

When Anne Snelgrove MP starts working to the same level of transparency that local Councillors do, perhaps people may start listening to her.

Discussions are ongoing with regard to the funding Swindon Borough Council put into the partnership but we have no responsibility for the operation of the Cameras.

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nigel_bytes

Dear Sir,

I have read in today's news that Swindon Borough council have taken the lead in proposing to cease funding for their local speed camera partnership in favour of a more appropriate and effective road safety policy.

If you have not already done so, please take some time to visit http://www.safespeed.org.uk. This organisation has carried and compiled extensive research into the science of road safety, and has intelligently debunked the numerous myths that have been put forward to defend speed camera policy, (and the livelihoods of those whose fortunes depend on the naivity and apathy of the population).
We all know full well that safe driving cannot be measured in miles per hour, but rather requires a driver to concentrate on anticipating possible hazards and responding in real-time to the conditions of the road ahead. Being forced to panic-brake, and to drive along nervously gazing at ones speedometer for fear of falling victim to piracy only serves as a dangerous distraction. Speed activated 'slow down' signs that warn of specific hazards ahead have been shown to be up to 3 times more effective than speed cameras in preventing accidents.
Therefore, I am writing to you to ask you to please consider following Swindon's lead, begin drawing up plans for pulling this town out of the county's speed camera partnership, and to invest instead in the system that will do the best job possible in preventing our children from dying on the roads. If you can do this for our people, I promise that your integrity will not be quickly forgotten.

Yours Sincerely

David Lucas

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Dave Lucas

With your permission Dave, I would like to propose that we each copy and paste this brilliant statement to our respective Borough Councils' websites, in our own names and sit back to see the results, reporting responses within this thread..?

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Aquila



Licat volare si super tergum aquila volat...

Absolutely - I'd be honoured!!

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Dave Lucas

Anne Snelgroves website and email address:

http://www.annesnelgrove.co.uk/

annesnelgrovemp@parliament.uk

I emailed here to let her know about the award she has won......(GOS)WOTW

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

I don't know if this has been posted elsewhere but, as a follow on from above this was in the Daily Express today..

Presure Mounting To Scrap Speed Cameras

If only Paul was alive to see it

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

Wow, so it's started?
For all the wrong reasons, obviously, but let's hope they will get rid of all the cameras!

If only they would admit to getting something wrong ever. It's like they aren't human.

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Andrew.

I'd like to believe in the foreafter - and Paul having a hand in this

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Can't help but agree with MPaton on this one (shock horror!) but it stinks of the Council simply trying to put pressure on the Government to restructure (re-restructure even) how the money is dished out so that they get some finances off the motorist themselves... if that happens they'll soon forget they claimed they werent safe. IMO.

My suspicioun for this comes due to the recent quotes by that Tory chap championing using high taxes to help the environment (read as modern day "Won't somebody think of the Children!!"), followed by repeated urgings to delay the tax increase, only for them to critisise Brown as soon as he does just that. Then you have the Lib Dems whining that the tax shouldn't be delayed at all harking on about "where is this 500million going to come from now?" err - try all the extra oil revenue you daft twats.

Labour = Lying scumbags who can't be trusted. They do not have our best interests at heart
Tories = Lying scumbags who can't be trusted. They're currently pretending to have our best interests at heart.
Lib Dems = Relatively straight talking in comparison, say all the wrong things - not sure whose interests they have at heart, but they want higher taxes all over the shop and to penalise success... plus loads of environmental shit.

What a fantastic set of options

Pay us and we will control the weather!


Mmm. Politician = Lying scumbag. It seems to have got to the point that you don't vote for the ones you like the most, you vote for the ones you hate the least.

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Andrew.