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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 21:26 
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has the world really gone mad? :banghead:

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Fined for getting out of the way
Deborah Linton
25/ 7/2008

A MOTORIST was fined after pulling into a bus lane - to let an ambulance on a 999 call get past.

Khalid Mahmood moved into the bus lane on Cheetham Hill Road, Manchester, to let the ambulance use the wrong side of the road and get round a queue of traffic.

But eight days later he received a £60 fine from Manchester Council saying he had driven his Citreon Xara illegally in the bus lane.

A CCTV picture of the incident sent to him by the council shows three other cars using the bus lane and the back of the ambulance.


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I need a Paxmanesque smiley of the dropped jaw in disbelief... :banghead:

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Father-of-two Mr Mahmood, from Crumpsall, who says he has a clean driving licence and is training to become a driving instructor, said he was appalled that the council was trying to make money out of the situation.


Sadly .. they make money out of whether or not the wheely bin is in the right place.. filled with the right stuff.. has a closed lid.. car parking trivialities.. bus lane use .. on a lip serviced pretext of "green" .. but their green is not the bright spring green of life.. but the murky dowdy one of the over-cooked mushy peas of envy.. and a desire to get the the "upperhand over the decent hard-working" :popcorn:


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Businessman Mr Mahmood, 45, said: "It just takes a bit of commonsense. Surely they can see from the image that they have recorded that there is an ambulance but they've been unscrupulous and thought we've caught them using the lane so we'll make them pay up.


He's a businessman.. they ain't and common sense .. sorry but "not a job requirement" for these idiots.. who also think a paint job of nonsense ticks a box on "cycling fwendly city" too :banghead:


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"I imagine all the other drivers in the picture have been hit too.

"The ambulance was using its lights and the sirens were going."


Yep.. easy pickings there.. :furious:

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Mr Mahmood received the fine on Tuesday morning.

It says that he used the lane at 5.10pm on July 14 near the police station on Cheetham Hill Road.

The driver of 28 years said he uses the route almost every day and is fully aware of the bus lane restrictions which he has never contravened on purpose.

He was told to pay a £60 fine which could be reduced to £30 if he pays within two weeks.

When he called the council to question it he claims he was told that they had the evidence and he had to pay.

He added: "Surely it would be more of an offence not to move out of the way for an ambulance.


Not in the eyes of the greed merchants. I happen to know this road .. having trained for finals in Manchester and my own son is set to follow my footsteps too when he completes his B.Sc in Medical Sciences at St Andrews Uni.. Road has been narrowed for the bus lane.. they had little option as to do nothing held up the ambulance and a person's life is at stake. Ambulance crews only use blues/twos if a life is at risk when all is said and done. :popcorn:


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Shameful

"What am I supposed to do next time, just stay put? I've taken the first two parts of my driving instructor test. I pride myself on my driving skills and I think it is shameful to make money out of this situation."

But when the M.E.N contacted the council they decided to withdraw the fine.

A Manchester council spokesman said: "After examining the footage of the incident in detail we have decided to withdraw the fine against Mr Mahmood, and apologise for any inconvenience this has caused him."

He said that any other motorists who were fined for trying to let the ambulance past should contact 9549000 or email buslanes@manchester.gov.uk

The Highway Code states that drivers should not break the law to assist emergency vehicles.

It says that motorists should comply with traffic signs and if necessary pull to the side of the road and stop.


Which meant pulling into the BUS LANE TO DO SO! :banghead:


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A spokeswoman for the North West Ambulance Service said: "Emergency vehicle drivers are specially trained and have exemptions to the law that the general public don't have.

"The North West Ambulance Service encourages the public to try and remove themselves carefully from the path of the emergency vehicle, taking care to note what other drivers around them are doing, making sure the path they take is a safe one, always adhering to rules in the Highway Code."


Except that in this road .. to pull into stop meant "stopping in the bus lane" :banghead:

There was no other option.

The ambulance could have undertaken in the bus lane.. but then this is also illegal and causes more red tape sorting it all out :banghead:

Pah! The fact they cancelled the fine when threatened with bad publicity tells us far more anyway :roll:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 00:48 
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But doesn't the highway code specifically state that you MUST NOT infringe even the tiniest law to assist an emergency vehicle? If so is the fault with the law itself, or just with the council applying it?

It seems this Labour government is determined to make the "special relationship" so rigid that we become exactly like America!

We, as British, have always had "red-tape" and we used to just side step it where it didn't apply. This has worked very well for generation after generation, but now the Labour government are stamping all over the honest, responsible, safe British citizen by prosecuting every violation of the stupidest law, no matter how innappropriate that law may be.

What is the response of the honest, responsible, safe British citizen? Where once we may have stood up and made the government see sense, we now mutter and go 'underground'. We become as intollerent as the government, refusing to get out of the way for emergency vehicles, berrating the Police for enforcing such stupidity and stop registering our cars in our name.

There are a LOT of VERY angry people out there now.

A friend of mine was asked by the Police for evidence of a purchase he made regarding a stolen credit card so they could catch a fraudster. He said that since they forced him to attend a speed awareness course under threat of prosecution for driving perfectly safely at 46mph on an empty dual carriageway, that they can go f*@k themselves.

And he's a safe, careful, responsible, respectable citizen.

If the Police are losing his support, who is left?


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Legion wrote:
But doesn't the highway code specifically state that you MUST NOT infringe even the tiniest law to assist an emergency vehicle? If so is the fault with the law itself, or just with the council applying it?

It seems this Labour government is determined to make the "special relationship" so rigid that we become exactly like America!

We, as British, have always had "red-tape" and we used to just side step it where it didn't apply. This has worked very well for generation after generation, but now the Labour government are stamping all over the honest, responsible, safe British citizen by prosecuting every violation of the stupidest law, no matter how innappropriate that law may be.

What is the response of the honest, responsible, safe British citizen? Where once we may have stood up and made the government see sense, we now mutter and go 'underground'. We become as intollerent as the government, refusing to get out of the way for emergency vehicles, berrating the Police for enforcing such stupidity and stop registering our cars in our name.

There are a LOT of VERY angry people out there now.

A friend of mine was asked by the Police for evidence of a purchase he made regarding a stolen credit card so they could catch a fraudster. He said that since they forced him to attend a speed awareness course under threat of prosecution for driving perfectly safely at 46mph on an empty dual carriageway, that they can go f*@k themselves.

And he's a safe, careful, responsible, respectable citizen.

If the Police are losing his support, who is left?


Too true. My attitude would be exactly the same today, perhaps I'd reply - if asked for police assistance- that I cannot help as I may unwittingly implicate myself of some menial infringement of the law?

Laws are being enforced to the letter of the law and not to the spirit in which the law was created. Written law cannot replace human judgement, it can only guide it. What we are witnessing now is bloody minded ignorance, bullying and harrassment.

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hairyben wrote:
What we are witnessing now is bloody minded ignorance, bullying and harrassment.

Yep, and we are paying for it.
I keep wanting the police to ask for my help so I can tell them why they aren't going to get it. ;)

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hairyben wrote:
What we are witnessing now is bloody minded ignorance, bullying and harrassment.

Yep, and we are paying for it.
I keep wanting the police to ask for my help so I can tell them why they aren't going to get it. ;)


I think I've completely given up on them & won't have anything to do with them unless I have to. A man whose breath smelled of alcohol bashed into me a little while ago, but he had his licence and insurance, and my car got fixed. Sure some might say there was something I had a "duty" to do, but with law enforcement becoming increasingly irrelevant and out of touch with the man in the street you have to ignore it where possible and just do what works for you- he broke, he payed, 100% sorted.

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