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I cannot help purring over this one

I heard this gem as I drove home tonight.

Radio Lancs.

Oh dear.. I cannot stop laughing..

OK.. they have a Panda Car.. the OLDEST POLICE CAR IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD//

A Morris 1000.. the Mad Moggie Thou!


What does it do?

It It STOPS TRAFFIC It's TRUE .. folk slow to gaze in awe at our Moggies.. the Mini Cooper S // Rileys.. Wolsleys .. Rover 2000, the Stag (mine has it's blue print Stag original engine.. but can be a one overheated Bitch at times Siegli (known to Ian and Hanbo) cheated and put a rover V8 in his first edition which I also "mind" for him ) .. the old E-type .. the Herald .. the Trabi. the Zodiac.. Zephyr . Consul.. Poplar.. Anglia. Capri,. Cortina (all versions ) .. Corsair.. Herald .. and Herald VITESSE oooh ..

I do not own all of these.. but I keep them in my barn for the family..and they do STOP traffic .. make people just take in breath at their sheer pristine beauty.. ..

Lancs police decided to use a Classic. Mad Moggie in Panda Gear. He sits on the road.. reminding folk of the speed limit. Lancs police claim that even when they fit him with all the "geared up doo-dahs".. folk see him.. ease off.. admire. but still adjust vigilance

I do know this from when we hit the road in our real toys. Folk ease off .. appreciate the sheer beauty of these beasts.

I think Lancs are learning . slowly.. that you have to show love of the real motorist to get him working alongside. We always have. We promote COAST. Only an idiot refutes the message as endorsed by DIS ans Speed Aware Courses, I will remind the ad hominem fools .. we already provided the proof of this. We can post it up the mark scheme - based on COAST again. We have no problem there. It marks the PROOF of why COAST .. being in control and able to make educated choices as to safe planning and speed choices.. saves more lives than a daft camera at a point where few accidents actually occur,.

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Now I agree that that is one fine idea.


A classic car .. Way to go!

Folk will slow up to admire.


Have a better idea..

How about a Veyron with NEON LED SLOW DOWN signs

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If it was a Veyron, the sign could say "Don't even THINK about it, punk - you know you're out-gunned"!

Dammit... only IG could out gun a poor classic Moggie .. Veyron.. OK .. it's a looker. It's got style... I prefer the original Bugatti of the heady 20s though Now those are cars




A Veyron.. alongside those stealth Mercs they have ..

But all the same.. the Moggies.. Minis.. Anglias .. ooh.. sheer stylish class. They may not be able to keep up with a Veyron.. but the sheer creative style in their lines. curves,, leather seats.. walnut trims. Hey .. we are talking solid craftsmanship here. Ahhhh..the sheer creative and original beauty of a car.... ooo-er!

By the way.. my fave film of all time is .... "Genevieve".

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Aye, a cracking film indeed.

To be honest, I think the Veyron is pig-ugly. The horseshoe radiator grille has been overdone and looks like a child has drawn it on the front. It's almost as if they'd tooled-up for the grille before they designed the rest of the car and just had to make it fit!

I was heading down to Carnforth on the M6 on Saturday morning and an Aston DB5 came flying past. Whoever was driving it was obviously intent on using it the way it had been designed to be used! I have huge respect for people who can do that rather than swaddle them in cotton wool in a heated garage because they're so valuable. I have to say he was well into licence-loosing teritory and I'd have done my duty as a good citizen and reported him but those little silver-on-black numberplates are so hard to read...

A good 10 years ago, I was out in a TVR Griffith near Preston and an old chap (even had the flat cap and the driving gloves with the peek-a-boo bits on the back!) in a Ferrari 250 GTO (yes, a real one as far as we could tell) fancied a race. He wasn't sparing ANY of his horses I can tell you! It was interesting because he had no grip (well, not compared to the TVR) but CRIKEY was it quick in a straight line!!! We went our separate ways after a while so I never got to talk but whoever it was, RESPECT, man!!!

I'm surprised you've not mentiond the E-type in your list? Surely one of the prettiest cars of all time? Certainly there's a space for a 3.8 Series 1 drophead in my fantasy garage. I'm told they're pretty horrid to drive though. One of the biggest problems with dreaming of a car all your life is that when (if!) you DO finally get your butt in one, they neary always fail to live up to your (unrealistic) expectations!

Ahh... the E-Type..


My dad owned one. He used to drive up and down the motorways when they first opened. .. at the speed the car was designed for He used to swoosh past the Moggies ...I seem to recall my Dad calling the government of the day "nit picking ninnies" when the motorway became limited to the speed the Anglia struggled to achieve


Err... um.. I think you can guess who I take after His remark on meeting Wildy for the first time was .. quite blunt and imagine it being said in a strong Yorkshire accent .




His E-Type is a classic in British Racing Green. He still has it. He has never been able to part with it.

I recall Dad's car ... then and still now .. having a throaty sound. I agree they are not the easiest of cars to drive though.


My Dad used to grumble out the gearing and I recall many a time he called her a few choice words beginning with "b" under his breath. Nowadays .. he drives just short distances in his "ordinary modern effort"... a VW Golf which he thinks just enough for his now "sedate age"


I think I read in some Grand Prix Compendium that William Grover Williams fashioned a Bugatti (much to the concern of his team mates) in British Racing Green too in his 1920s hey-day Bugatti racers were a deep dark blue in the 20s apparently.



But the Veyron .. sadly she does not have the same classic style nor the curves of her "grandmother's era.

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Smily to penny.. penny to pound
safespeed prospers-smiles all round! !
But the real message? SMILE.. GO ON ! DO IT! and the world will smile with you!
Enjoy life! You only have the one bite at it.

I always thought they raced in a very pale blue colour - was that later? I must admit I'd quite fancy a Type 35 with the big "aerodynamic" spats on the wheels! There used to be a company doing a nice kit version based on (of all things) a Marina! Apparently the spindly front suspension components really lent themselves to the look of the original!

Did it have same handling charastics as the Marina ,whose rear end could wiggle as well as any American female film star if not treated gently ,and the same gluttony for grease on the front suspension ?
most of the BMC cars of that age had that problem ,though it was only recently that I saw the first one with the classic signs -front wheel at odd angle

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My Swiss Great und Grandparents/Great-great Onkel (bankers) were involved in bankrolling Ettore in his formative years. His prototypes were darker blue than the paler ones which Benoiste drove for him.

Grover Williams broke the mould in the late 20s /early 30s in spraying his Bugatti in British Racing Green He buy his own Buggatti. He won his team place by winning in his own green Bugatti per the lore/legend of these greats of the sport in earliest years

Benoiste..along with Williams und Wimereux fought with the Resistance against the Nazis. Benoiste was garrotted with piano wire. Williams allegedly survived. Wimereux sadly died in post war races.

But brave young men in their day all the same

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Bugatti - in class of their own from Ettore's vision. I think he be turning in grave over looks of the Veyron .. but really giggling over his speeds.

No .. not a "looker" but a "bloke with muscle -shame about the lack of cute bum".

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UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
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Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
Me?
Je ne regrette rien!

From bit by WC---



Trouble is that most B(adly )M(ade)C(ars) had this problem in the 50/60 s ---the BUM decided to WIGGLE on a corner - MOGGIE 1000/Marina and the earlier Wolseley /Riley1500 -all the same rear suspension - same wiggle/wobble - but then on 15" narrow crosplies - what else could you expect . I changed my A40 Farina to radials early on -what a difference ( and in the snow - the chubby sides actually gripped /had some grip).But then - upgrade the 60's learner drivers to todays vehicles - pity we can't pass on 40+ years of experience of how to get out of trouble in the wet /snow / the ditch / wet fields etc or how to spot problems a long way off .That's something we can't can, condense and inject . PITY .

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Yes, I often wonder how much the sheer competence of today's cars has to do the the (seeming) lack of competence of today's drivers.

When we were all taking our tests, I had a Reliant (a 4 -legged one)! and another of my mates had a Marina (an 1800 twin carb road warrior, if you please!) while another had a Daf etc etc. The Marina had absolutely laughable levels of grip - I wonder, with hindsight, whether that was such a bad thing? We could get ourselves completely out of line without really going fast enough to do any real damage. OK, of course, we COULD have done real damage, but compared to the speeds that modern hatchbacks will manage before they "let go", this thing used to give about 3 week's written notice that it was geting to the limit of adhesion! My little Reliant had unassisted, single circuit drum brakes all round. I think anyone who might ever have been tempted to tailgate in one of those is probably dead now! Certainly, with 5 lads and a bit of walking gear in the back, it took a LOT of skill to stop it in a hurry using "only" one lane! While not a big fan of "risk compensation" theory, I have to admit that the cars of that era were probably so "dangerous", they were "safe"!

Very true.

Only last night I was talking to a (younger ) lady freind about the joys of crash gearboxes and double de-clutching

Needless to say she didnt have a clue about what I was talking about. But, the BIG point about crash boxes is that you could not change gear on a whim! You had to look ahead and think about what gear you wanted to be in in a hundred yards time and plan when and where you were going to make the relevent changes. It made you a lot more observant and thoughtfull about your driving

Of course Auto boxes make one even lazyer than syncro ones!

And a lot of quite small cars have autos these days!

On my nastier days I have felt that, whatever people chose to drive later, people should learn have learn to drive and pass their test is something hard! No synchro, no PAS etc etc (You get the picture!)

Im sure it would make them better drivers later!

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Show me concrete proof that any one of the speed awareness courses have changed anyone's attitude to driving! However there is definitive proof that the speed awareness courses bring in hundreds of thousands of pounds PROFIT to LCC. This to a speed awareness provider whose terms and conditions under ANDISP require it to be NON-Profit making organization.They don't even pay VAT as do other private providers throughout the country!

Also I fail to understand how it is in the interest of road safety, amidst all the Partnership PR, that speed kills (remember the little girl who advertised "I die at 40 but not 30"?).

Well in 2004 you got a £60.00 fine plus 3 penalty points for traveling above 35 m.p.h in Lancs but the Chief Constable decide that NO PENALTY Points would be given unless you traveled at 39 m.p.h and at 36.37,38 you went on a speed awareness course paying £80 to the council without the points. This DOUBLED OVERNIGHT the income to LCC from Speed Awareness Course!!! It also gauranteed the Constabulary a payment from the council for ALL REFFERRALS made to them irrespective of how many or how little opted for the course!
Oh by the way don't be conned into the bog standard reply that this is ACPO guidelines!!!! This was based on a survey by a DI from Lancashire Police Standards that was recommended to ACPO & accepted!

Now if anyone can tell me how the little girl stopped being killed at 38 m.p.h (it's a lot nearer 40 than 30) I would be interested. Also the spokespersons (Adrian Emberton & Linda Sanderson) were hurling fire & brimstone through their P.R. machine at anyone who was traveling at 35+ at the time and comparing them with drunk/drug drivers then suddenly it was acceptable, if you paid your money to LCC, (Who incidentally they actually are employed by!),You Really just needed to be EDUCATED about your driving! I thought that was what the Driving test was all about!
In the vernacular of the TV Royale Family..... Road Safety My *rse!!!

Edgar - as my wife posted on PH .. - we do have to start somewhere. We agree that inviting on ping somehow "loses" the plot.

It was a lot worse once though. Cut off at 35 mph. We had folks getting NIPs at 33 mph .. but no points if Speed Course completed. It completely undermined a decent idea at birth. Akin to "dumping kittens in a river", You are new .. but I will let you in on that jibe as made by a safety pratnership manager who has disappointed all the more or uplifted dependent on your point of view. He said it. He has since gone on to spit other nonsense. His bosses and ex bosses are as immune as we are.


Anwyay -protest got system upped to 10% + 5 across range. Most can live with this now .. with some grumbles.. of course.


Its saving grace is its COAST.

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If you want to get to heaven - you have to raise a little hell!

Smilies are contagious
They are just like the flu
We use our smilies on YOU today
Now Good Causes are smiling too!

KEEP SMILING
It makes folk wonder just what you REALLY got up to last night!

Smily to penny.. penny to pound
safespeed prospers-smiles all round! !
But the real message? SMILE.. GO ON ! DO IT! and the world will smile with you!
Enjoy life! You only have the one bite at it.