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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 08:13 
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MPs demand action on road deaths

Lower speed limits and a tougher enforcement of drink-driving laws are needed to cut the number of road deaths, MPs have said.

The Commons transport committee also criticised the government's system for recording deaths and serious injuries, adding it seemed to be "flawed".

Chairman Louise Ellman said road fatalities were "the major public health problem of our age". The government said it recognised "more can be done" to improve safety.

'Particularly concerned'

The committee said that, although last year saw a 7% fall in road user deaths, overall progress since 2000 had been "disappointing".

Motorcyclist deaths had risen by 26% between the mid-1990s and 2007.

The committee said it was "particularly concerned" about high accident rates among male drivers, younger drivers and those using country roads.

It heard evidence that child pedestrians from the poorest social groups were 21 times more likely to be killed in a traffic accident than those from the richest.

Less well-off car users were also at greater risk of death than the more affluent.

Ms Ellman, Labour MP for Liverpool Riverside, said: "The number of deaths and injuries on our roads far outweighs the deaths and injuries in other transport modes or in other work-related accidents.

"We need to start seeing this not only as a collection of individual tragedies but also as the major public health problem of our age.

"The deaths of 3,000 people and injuries to a quarter of a million are a staggering annual toll to pay for mobility."

Targets

The committee queried the accuracy of the government's data on injuries and deaths and wondered whether it would meet its road safety targets.

There had to be a better linking of accident statistics gathered by police and hospitals to get a clearer idea of what is happening, it added.

The government says the number of injuries on roads is falling far more quickly than the number of deaths.

The MPs called for new road-death reduction targets, separate from those set for serious and slight injuries.

In its report, the committee recommended the drink-drive limit should be lowered, roadside breath test devices should be approved and there should be tougher penalties for alcohol-related offences.

More 20mph speed limit zones should be in place, it added.

The committee said: "There is a significant body of evidence that the current methods for recording road traffic injuries are flawed."

MPs also said there should be a road safety commission and that a road accident investigation branch should be set up.

'Should be ashamed'

Liberal Democrat transport spokesman Mark Hunter said: "It is a travesty that drunk drivers still kill as many people now as they did a decade ago.

"The government should be ashamed that it has failed to make a dent in this problem."

A Department for Transport spokesman said: "We've cut the number of people killed or seriously injured each year by more than a third since the mid-1990s.

"That means almost 17,000 fewer deaths or serious injuries on our roads last year.

"But we have always been clear that one death is one too many and so recognise that more can be done to make our roads safer.

"We work continually to improve the way road casualty data is recorded and are now linking police and hospital data.

"However, criticism of our statistics is itself based on flawed comparisons with hospital admissions data, which are It heard evidence that child pedestrians from the poorest social groups were 21 times more likely to be killed in a traffic accident than those from the richest.

Less well-off car users were also at greater risk of death than the more affluent.

Ms Ellman, Labour MP for Liverpool Riverside, said: "The number of deaths and injuries on our roads far outweighs the deaths and injuries in other transport modes or in other work-related accidents.

"We need to start seeing this not only as a collection of individual tragedies but also as the major public health problem of our age.

"The deaths of 3,000 people and injuries to a quarter of a million are a staggering annual toll to pay for mobility."

Targets

The committee queried the accuracy of the government's data on injuries and deaths and wondered whether it would meet its road safety targets.

There had to be a better linking of accident statistics gathered by police and hospitals to get a clearer idea of what is happening, it added.

The government says the number of injuries on roads is falling far more quickly than the number of deaths.

The MPs called for new road-death reduction targets, separate from those set for serious and slight injuries.

In its report, the committee recommended the drink-drive limit should be lowered, roadside breath test devices should be approved and there should be tougher penalties for alcohol-related offences.

More 20mph speed limit zones should be in place, it added.

The committee said: "There is a significant body of evidence that the current methods for recording road traffic injuries are flawed."

MPs also said there should be a road safety commission and that a road accident investigation branch should be set up.

'Should be ashamed'

Liberal Democrat transport spokesman Mark Hunter said: "It is a travesty that drunk drivers still kill as many people now as they did a decade ago.

"The government should be ashamed that it has failed to make a dent in this problem."

A Department for Transport spokesman said: "We've cut the number of people killed or seriously injured each year by more than a third since the mid-1990s.

"That means almost 17,000 fewer deaths or serious injuries on our roads last year.

"But we have always been clear that one death is one too many and so recognise that more can be done to make our roads safer.

"We work continually to improve the way road casualty data is recorded and are now linking police and hospital data.

"However, criticism of our statistics is itself based on flawed comparisons with hospital admissions data, which are published with a warning about their reliability for monitoring trends over time."


Here we go again, blame it on speed. This government seem hell bent on lowering speed limits for the sake of it, it's obvious they don't take much notice of there own Dft reports.

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The Commons transport committee also criticised the government's system for recording deaths and serious injuries, adding it seemed to be "flawed".


Well blow me over! Paul was pointing this out a long time ago. I bet if KSI's had been reported honestly in the first place I doubt there would have been that much change, certainly not as much as being made out. They can't play around much with death figures, that's why there hasn't been that much change.

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It heard evidence that child pedestrians from the poorest social groups were 21 times more likely to be killed in a traffic accident than those from the richest.

Less well-off car users were also at greater risk of death than the more affluent


So what are they saying? Is it that they are thinking of stopping the less well off from using their cars on UK roads.

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There had to be a better linking of accident statistics gathered by police and hospitals to get a clearer idea of what is happening, it added.


They mean let’s make sure we are both singing from the same hymn sheet next time, instead of dropping us in it.

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MPs also said there should be a road safety commission and that a road accident investigation branch should be set up.


Another quango in the making!


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 08:36 
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Every thing I read here and saw the mp talk about on the news this morning was about drivers.
Nothing about pedestrians training
Nothing about cyclists training
Nothing about improved roads
Nothing about reducing drunk pedestrians

50% of drivers killed at night are young males.... Big surprise that! 50 % of the drivers at night are probably young males’ dur!
more 20 limits..... That will stop young drunk males at night crashing then?

What is so annoying is they have started to receive the message and agree with the results but they have SO no got it!

It’s like that kid who was told the loud music in his car had damaged his lower hearing by 40% and his reply was ... so I have to boost the bass by 40% to compensate for my hearing

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Chairman Louise Ellman said road fatalities were "the major public health problem of our age".

This is so obviously rubbish that it devalues the rest of he statement.

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It heard evidence that child pedestrians from the poorest social groups were 21 times more likely to be killed in a traffic accident than those from the richest.

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They're already singing the same tune, just different words.

"Road deaths have not gone down".
No, but traffic levels have gone UP.
So, you would have expected deaths/injuries to have risen by [more-or-less] the same amount.
They haven't.
"the less well-off have a larger amount of children killed than the better-off"
Nothing to do with the better-off living in accommodation with bigger gardens, low-traffic residential areas or remote housing [remote from roads with lots of traffic]
Cannot someone employ a statistician and not a bunch of headline seeking nonentity-mp's ?

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Check this out - http://www.speedlimit.org.uk/twenty.html

It is totally crazy. If they believe their own statement that road deaths have not reduced much since 2000, then that in itself should tell them that reducing speeds is not working and therefore is not the main factor in road deaths!

I, and I am sure many others here, see many people driving at less than 40mph on NSL roads and far slower on restricted roads, or otherwise they exact opposite and they maintain the same speed regardless, but this does not mean they are driving safely! Same old thing, they have probably never been involved in an accident, but they have probably seen many and they are the ones that have probably caused most of them.

On GMTV this morning, if I heard correctly whilst getting ready for work, 3,000 fatalities on our roads each year, which is unacceptable, but 24,000 die each year from the cold in the UK? Is that acceptable? 8 times as many people die during the coldest 4 months of the year than die over 12 months of the year on our roads? I may have heard this wrong, but I am sure I heard this mentioned twice, although not whilst on the same topic, of course.

I agree with the poster about Pedestrian training, cyclist training, etc.

On my way to work in the mornings I drive off my estate along a road with a primary school on it. As I turn into this road there are often kids, usually boys, walking in the road. I am probably only coasting at around 10 mph, beep my horn to make sure they know I am there and get rewarded with verbal abuse, rude hand gestures and them daring me to knock them over or drive at them! These might be only children aged around 6 or 7 years, but surely education is better than overprotection? Even children have to learn respect and that there are consequences to actions! I had to learn this when I was a child, as did others back then. Now, the government have stripped schools and parents of a great deal of authority and discipline and hence adults are often held to ransom by primary school children!

Why don't the government just stop pussy footing around and ban everything that might result in the death of someone? If they are aiming for 100% immortality, that, I guess would be a start! Whoops! Careful what I say, they are just stupid enough to consider it!


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I've just checked and the Commons Transport Committee is composed entirely of MPs rather than anyone who knows anything about road safety. Therefore, any pronouncements they make will be coloured by their need to say the "right" message to get re-elected rather than unpalateable truths.

I think we can discount most of this report as political spin.

I note that at the bottom of the BBC report they ask for on-line comments from people who have "lost" family or friends in road accidents. A very disinterested group, I should think. They are hardly going to say "I blame myself for not teaching little Johnny to obey the Highway Code" are they?

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Let's get some figures here.
Simple is better.
In the last 10 years traffic has increased by about 20%
Deaths have decreased, but by what ?
About 30% ?
Serious injuries ?
Teens seem to be getting killed more than older people ?
The ipod years ?
Percentage of ksi by transport other than cars ?
After all, it IS the CAR driver they are going after.

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