roaduser wrote:
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In 1986 there were 107,600 motorists convicted of careless driving but by 2006 this had fallen by more than 75 per cent to only 25,400.
"The level of enforcement is steadily dropping," the Government noted in the consultation paper.
This, it is believed, has resulted in an increasing number of cases of careless driving going unpunished.
Most people would agree that driving standards are falling and much bad driving is ignored.
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a sharp decline in the number of convictions for careless driving may be due to the amount of paperwork involved in the police bringing prosecutions
Is utter rubbish.
The sharp decline is almost certainly down to the police concentrating around 95% of effort on easy speeding targets on overly speed restricted roads.
For years almost everyone who has visited here, including speed vigilantes, have noted the almost total lack of traffic cops and when you do see them they are fully armed with a dodgyscope.
I would tend to agree that a reliance on a speed cam or a van concentrates only on the speed and not the actual standard. We find less prosecutions for careles/inconsiderate driving statistically in Kodak counties
Speeding and fixed penalties stil generate paperwork by the way .. and we find decent admin staff who know how to use a computer properly is a good use of our tightly budgeted resources.
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It has recently come to light that older safer slower drivers rather than faster more dangerous younger drivers are more likely to collect speeding convictions. The same will undoubtedly be seen with this latest scheme for tax extraction.
I think the young wide boys know how to manipulate the speed cams better

The older driver usually finds they trig the cam just on the setting of 10%+2 in most cases .. per an FOI a couple of the Swiss now has on Lincs and S Wales.

He hit the keyboards to local press when that story originally broke
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You can expect huge numbers of people to be prosecuted for very momentary and largely irrelevant lapses of concentration. Nobody's perfect so you had better watch your back.
PS In Gear - since in Durham you are not speed zealots - how are the careless driver prosecutions holding up ?
We do prosecute more than average for OTT speeding.. careless/inconsiderate/drink/drug driving overall.
In the case of the OTT speeding/drink/drug cases - the evidence would be absolute in proof. We do record the drivers we pull for careless/inconsiderate driving - so we do have material evidence from the fleet's in-car do-dahs which are serviced and maintained to "almost religious pedantry"

Such cases cannot be dealt with by a fixed penalty though - a court still has to hear and test just how far that careless/inconsiderate behaviour fell below the standard we would expect from the averagely competent.
It varies according to circumstance as well... I would worry about a fixed penalty for this as the error may be down to each party being "negligent or not concenttrating for that crucial and ephemeral split second"
Also plenty of accidents occur which do not require police presence and just require folk to exchange insurance details. You could argue that pranging a car as you reverse from a parking space or at/on a roundabout are "careless"

.. but the punishment for the one who prangs is the loss of NCB and higher insurance for 5 years of declaration
Of the ones we see and do pull up - the driving was definitely dodgy and warranting a sniff around .. a stern chat and/(or - dependent on what was seen) ... charges as appropriate.

You can only really deal with careless- dangerous .. not wearing seat belts or defecitive vehicles by maintaining a healthy and decently staffed police presence.
If staff and budgets are deployed properly and efficiently - then despite the current economy - we can still manage to

and eke out the budget
Now .. dinner is served .. toasted turkey butties ..
