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Sneaky speed trap snapped by reader


Full report............
http://www.lep.co.uk/news/Sneaky-speed- ... jp#3963117

Lancashire Police operated a speed trap yesterday in Clayton Brook (about 0.5 miles away from this other location), parked in a bus stop which caused an obstruction for the buses.

They really do have a lot of problems at the moment Lancashire Police. Time to get a grip Mr Finegan....

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kendalian wrote:


It's like the Wild West here in Lancashire regarding speeding!
Everybody makes up their own laws!
Bounty Hunters!

I don't think Steve has ever got over not becoming "Supercop" when the amalgamation of Cumbria & Lancashire failed to take place!

He only has to follow the REAL SUPERCOP (SIR Paul Stephenson's) lead and implement THE POLICY and stop the COWBOYS at COUNTY HALL building their empires from the taxpayers pockets!
But that will never happen as THE POLICE are also COINING it IN!
He has ACCOUNTANTS, just get them to FIX the figures (according to his policy not LCCs) and he would stop, overnight, the bad publicity that is tarring all of his force!

A quick Google shows this sneakily placed van to be placed between a good stretch of (what should be) NSL between two villages, nearing 1km in length.
Oddly enough, there looks to be/have been a gatso on that route too.

What are the odds of the limit on that part of the road being set needlessly low? Does anyone know what the actual limit is?

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Steve wrote:


Check post 7 on LEP website report


Hope this helps

It's a 30 limit, strangely enough  It used to be a 40 but was reduced about a year ago!Where the van was is in a dip with steep hills either side - very easy to pick up speed down the hill, which is why the van goes there

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Thanks. I suspected as much. Is there any reason why it can't be NSL (assuming 30mph buffer zones 100m from the villages)?

A poorly set limit that doesn't encourage respect and compliance is a limit that further reduces the perceived importance of all such limits.

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Steve:
RESPECT & COMPLIANCE does not figure in this Partnerships vocabulary.
BOUNTY HUNTERS!

From a more telling angle:



That's a very visible, well-lit junction.
I think that's a school sign in the photo (hence one nearby), but a school governor is quoted as saying:

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Think about it:

Prosecution threshold 39 mph= FPN direct to government
Speed Awareness offer 36,37,38mph= £80.00 direct to Lancashire County Council & Lancashire Constabulary.
This is the growth industry!
Nothing to do with Road Safety!
All about ££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££

I saw a LPFRS van hidden (deliberately in my opinion) in a 50 zone on the A6068 near Burnley in a layby behind a bush (from the A roads view) on a sideroad. Whilst there are Speed Camera warning signs nearby (seemingly for the fixed cams), there is no way you could have seen the van unless you were looking for it - which I fortunately was due to a driver flashing to warn me.

What makes this worse what that it was on Easter Sunday. Have they seriously got nothing better to do?

It's a very serious thing to do at £80.00 a time for unsuspecting motorists!
Especialy if they pay £80.00 when they REALLY AREN'T breaking the speed limit!
Think About It!£££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££

The Lanca$hire Talivans do seem to be a lot more active at the moment (since the start of the new financial year strangely enough  ).I've seen one scamming every day over the last week, whereas before April I can't remember when I last saw one active.A favourite location at the moment is Runshaw Lane, Euxton. Vans sits literally yards from the NSL signs scamming traffic leaving the village - hows that for contributing to revenue raising, oops road safety?

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That's how Nazi Germany started. They'll be burning books next. (Brian Noble, Wigan coach - updated 20/4/06!!).

And again

http://www.lep.co.uk/news/Speed-camera-operators-caught-being.5202663.jp

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That's how Nazi Germany started. They'll be burning books next. (Brian Noble, Wigan coach - updated 20/4/06!!).

and the CO when they woke up said " who the f##k put that sign there", i wonder if the reporting person had got caught there

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If it's"against their code of conduct" as reported, will they be scrapping all the tickets?

you tell me, visibility requirements were part of the netting off scheme 60 m within a 30 mph limit i recall



60m is double the distance front of the white car, out of curiosity were any tickets issued , or did the operator visit the site, park up and tick the schedule chart,

you somtimes need to take a back step and think before jumping to conclusions

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I still can't understand the issue with "hiding" speed cameras myself, I mean it's the law, why should people get to know they should be slowing down to the speed limit so they don't get a fine, they've already been told by the big number in the red circle (or the black diagonal stripe).

Like I always say, one good way to reduce the revenue from speed camera overnight and that is obey the speed limit as you are obliged to, by law.

Mmm. Would a law abiding citizen object to a police officer hiding behind a bush in order to catch a burglar in the act?

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When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

This is true. In an ideal world people would always respect and comply with the limits, the limits would be a useful means of differentiating good drivers from the bad.

Alas this is far from an idea world. Good drivers are being caught whilst the bad are free to continue drivnig badly with impunity.

Limits are being set to well below reasonable levels (resulting from conflicts of interests), so leading to unintentional speed creep or outright disrespect and dismissal of the limits. Needlessly low limits create additional risk partly by devaluing speed limits in general and skewing the perception of risk in areas where lower limits really are needed (why do you think so many drivers resent them?); this in turn leads to unpredictable behaviour and hence greatly increased danger where compliance is needed the most. Don’t get me wrong: we need limits and they need to be enforced, but they need to be set reasonably first. No one would care about speed enforcement (except joyriders and boy racers, but who cares about them?), however it is done, if limits were set reasonably in the first place. Remember, no one sets out to break any law (except joyriders and boy racers).

The only reason why we have so many needlessly low limits is because people accept, without question, the misinformation from the SCPs regarding the effects of speed and the supposed effectiveness of their efforts.

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