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http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/local-west-yorkshire-news/2009/05/01/15k-speed-fine-couple-fighting-on-86081-23516829/

I would have thought that being situated on a corner would make a radar/laser system underead rather than overead (Like SatNav on hills, which is quite noticable!)

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If the camera is on the inside of a bend you might be travelling straight towards it at the point it makes the measurement so the measured speed would be the true speed. But if the camera was set up with the appropriate cosine correction for a straight road the measured speed would be increased.

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When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Is this west yorkshire police area?

It depends on how the corner is setup.
If the camera is on the inside of a bend (camera on the left, bend going left), the sensor can under-read; if on the outside (camera on the left, bend going right) it can over-read.
However, the graduation marks for the corroborating distance/time measurement would be a confounding factor. I couldn’t comment further without seeing the bend itself.

A brief explanation (within an earlier thread) how is here.

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If it's the one that was on Pepipoo then the whole thing was a white wash. I believe that when they cited the camera, they measured the bend in feet instead of meters (or the other way round) the good man even proved it was set up wrong but they still prosecuted. Because he took them to the cleaners with his expertise, they took him to the cleaners with the costs.

I wish them the best!! of luck with their appeal.

I'll try to dig out some info if I still have it.

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How could he have hoped for justice, when the court itself is part of the safety partnership ?
Personally, I think the safety partnership and the court should be prosecuted for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.
But then, since the police are also part of the "ring of menace", it will be "doctor heal thyself" ?

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56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

Dixie wrote:

And jomukuk wrote:


It's obvious to me that this case has to be defeated: "At any cost"
As I cannot argue on the technical aspects of the challenge I feel that in support I can indicate how this Partnership operates "For money at all costs" and will present their figures for the last 3 years of the "netting off process" that clearly shows " selective prosecutions" by this Partnerships.
THIS OBVIOUSLY BEING ONE!
I will post these later on "Chickens are coming to roost"!
They seem to operate WORSE than LANCASHIRE!

The original story here,

Speed camera fine is flawed
Dec 28 2007 by Sam Casey, Huddersfield Daily Examiner

AN EXPERT physicist is fighting a speeding ticket in a court battle that could cost the authorities thousands.

Iain Fielden and his graphic designer wife Vikki have gone to court to try to quash a £60 speeding fine they got in Huddersfield in July 2006.

The couple were returning to their Sheffield home from visiting friends in Honley when they were trapped by a camera on New Mill Road in Brockholes, at the junction with Smithy Place Lane.

It clocked their car travelling at 36mph in a 30mph zone.

But research scientist Mr Fielden, who works for Sheffield Hallam University, said the reading was inaccurate because the camera is located on a bend in the road.

His argument is based on the way light travels.

If the couple prove their claim it would mean hundreds of other drivers could have been unfairly fined.

Dr Fielden, 41, said: “Speed cameras are designed only to work on a straight line.

“As a physicist I know that radars, which the cameras use, travel in straight lines.

“If you set one up on a curve, it is going to be inaccurate.

“Neither of us were looking at the speedometer at the exact time, but the best estimate I can come up with is that we were travelling at about 31mph.

“There is a margin for error with all speed cameras, but when you put them on a bend it makes them even more inaccurate.”

The couple, who are representing themselves, lost the first stage of their fight when the fine was upheld by Huddersfield magistrates.

But they have appealed that decision at Bradford Crown Court.

A verdict is expected in January.

If they lose, the couple face a fine of £1,000 and a court bill for another £2,500.

But if they are successful, it could mean hundreds of other fines amounting to thousands of pounds could be contested.

Mr Fielden said: “I’m a scientist and I don’t like it when people misuse scientific instruments.

“Speed cameras aren’t like DVD players – you can’t just plug them in and expect them to work.

“The bottom line is they have made a hash of measuring the road and should have planted the camera about 100ft north of where it is.”

The West Yorkshire Casualty Reduction Partnership, which is dealing with the prosecution, declined to comment at this stage

http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/local-we ... -20291820/

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The reason that he cannot be allowed to win is in the opening line:

It's like drawing blood!
But good luck anyway!!!