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Mirror, signal, mascara: Half a million crashes a year are blamed on women doing their make-up

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Last updated at 8:13 AM on 02nd October 2009

We're often told how good women are at doing lots of things at once.
But there's one area where their multi-tasking skills apparently let them down - putting on their make-up while driving.
Girls with their eyes on the rearview mirror and one hand clutching the mascara or lipstick are to blame for nearly half a million accidents a year, it was revealed yesterday.
A woman putting on make-up while driving
Danger on the roads: Women who apply make-up while driving are causing accidents
Despite the dangers, a fifth of women drivers confess they have touched up their make-up on the move - not so much a case of Mirror, Signal, Manoeuvre as Mirror, Signal, Mascara.

Three per cent admit to causing a collision when distracted by applying cosmetics. That equates to around 450,000 crashes a year.
Road safety groups warned that motorists needed to give driving their full concentration.
The poll of 4,000 women drivers by motor insurer Diamond comes a year after the introduction of an offence of causing death by careless driving which carries a prison sentence of up to two years.
Previously, careless driving offences - such as applying makeup, eating and map-reading at the wheel - were punishable only by a fine. Women aged between 17 and 21 were found to be the most likely to put beauty before safety and most liable to crash as a result.
More than a quarter (27 per cent) confessed to putting on make-up and nine per cent of those aged 18 or younger have had an accident - three times the average for women drivers.

That compares with just 6 per cent of women aged 56 or older - who are least likely to do it - and just half a per cent in that age group who have crashed while doing their make-up.
Diamond managing director Sian Lewis said it was worrying that so many women put themselves and other road users at risk.

'We all have busy lives but applying your make-up when you're driving means your full attention is not on the road ahead,' she said.
'Is your mascara more important than yours and other road users' safety? Even if you're lucky enough to arrive at your destination safely, you could be charged with careless driving if spotted by the police. Women are generally great at doing more than one thing at once but this is definitely one area where multitasking should not be practised.'
In March 2006, 22-year-old part-time model Donna Maddock, of Mold, North Wales, was fined £200 with six penalty points for careless driving for applying make-up at the wheel of her Vauxhall Astra while doing 32mph on the A490 near Abersoch.
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents appealed for women to avoid the potentially deadly distraction.
Spokesman Kevin Clinton said: 'Driving requires concentration and even a momentary lapse could turn a near-miss into a serious or even fatal accident. Commonsense says apply make-up before or after driving.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z0SmIqswKG


Curiously this article from 1996 by Velo Ins Services :
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WOMEN company car drivers cause more accidents than male counterparts, according to a survey of 25,000 fleet vehicle insurance claims over 12 months by VELO Insurance Services. But men cause more damage than women when they do crash
The survey covered accidents with repair costs totalling £14 million and found the average cost of an accident involving a male driver was £564, while the equivalent for women was £545.
Women drivers are more likely to be involved in accidents with another vehicle where they are at fault - 26% of all accidents involving women against 20.6% involving men - but the average cost at £734 for women to £831 for men suggests accidents involving women are less severe. Men are more likely to have at-fault accidents such as losing control and leaving the road - 2.05% of all accidents involving male drivers against 1.39% involving women drivers - and the cost is also likely to be higher at £2,012 average cost against £1,811 for women.
VELO director of insurance Tina Neale said: 'Men and women do have different insurance claims. 'Many companies apply risk management techniques to identify drivers who need driver training to reduce their incident rates and costs. This report shows further examination of claims history may be needed to specify the training required. Companies using and offering driver training should consider developing different courses for men and women, as each appear to have different driving habits leading to different types of accident.'t

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:52 
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Multi-tasking risks.
I was behind a young lady as she drove out of work yesterday....I noted her driving past me on the roundabout, while chatting on her mobile....and trying to put the seat belt on with the other hand/arm (at the same time as holding the mobile to her ear) while steering with (I think !) her knee.....she had to stop at the next roundabout (100 metres) to finalise the seat belt..... !

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In follow up to this I also found this article :
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Angelic women drivers put men to shame
New research suggests women may be better drivers than men after all. It reveals that men are more than one and a half times as likely as women to have a motoring conviction, with male teenagers over five times as likely as female teenagers to have one.
Women's car insurance specialist Diamond looked at the motoring records of over one million motorists to see which convictions are the most common and if there is a difference between the sexes. Whilst speeding is by far the most common conviction for both men and women, only 11% of women have been caught speeding compared with 18% of men.

Diamond's managing director, Sian Lewis, said: "I'm not really surprised more men are caught speeding than women. Male drivers tend to be more aggressive than women, and are more likely to be involved in a serious accident."
Diamond's research also reveals there are differences between the sexes when it comes to breaking other laws:

* Men are six times more likely than women to be convicted for drink/drug driving offences.
* Men are three times more likely than women to be convicted of careless driving.
* Men are three times more likely than women to commit a motorway offence.
* Men are twice as likely as women to drive without insurance.

Diamond also looked at the percentage of motorists in different age groups that have received a motoring conviction. Men in the 20-25 age group are the most likely to have a conviction with women in the 17-19 age group the least likely.
Sian Lewis, continued, "This research proves that women are safer drivers than men; they have less convictions than men and make smaller, hence less serious claims. Almost a quarter of 20-39 year old men have a conviction which really is quite a shocking statistic."
Issue date: 18-10-06

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Women drive differently :

So what *can* be different :
Car interest,
Driving interest, (means to an end),
car choice,
modern small cars have BAD pillar sizes !
Ability to concentrate on one task,
Women might have eyes at the back of their head but are they using that skill in their driving,
women accidents may be slower and less severe,
less confident in their manner of driving
less predictable in driving manner
less able to manage spacial awareness
less confident in progression

? less able to manage risk?

Fines are therefor proving that they are Not Improving ability and skill - no surprise there then !

Are good women drivers like men drivers - yes BUT (as I had wanted to say !) they take the good points of BOTH and might be more balanced by combining those skills.

So what are the Better women skills ? :
more cautious,
more subtle or less 'aggressive', (is aggression read as confidence though ? Possibly)
more laid back (section of 'attitude')

Women have slower likely more at junction type accidents
men have a greater number of accidents in open territory.

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I think women drivers are less aware of their surroundings and tend to do tunnel vision more as they seem to be more intimidated. Followed some woman on a straight nsl road behind a tractor for miles because she wouldn't over take even though there was bags of room and time. She was hunched over the wheel staring straight ahead. She was right up the arse of the tractor so couldn't see properly either. I think overtaking should be taught to all learners and it should be taught the advanced way. It seems ludicrous that the most dangerous aspect of driving doesn't seem to be taught at all.

I think ultimately women care less about driving than men, in the same way they as a group tend to be less interested in gadgets, technology and such like. Men care more about how they drive but are less able to take criticism. I think if you could persuade more women to take further training then the accident rate would fall. I think they think there isn't anything in it for them as they they think advanced driving is just about driving faster! Some of this eco driving cods that was on midlands today last night might be a possible way to safer driving as it encourages more anticipation and emphasises trying to maintain momentum more. Jumping on the eco driving bandwagon but without such an emphasis of crawling around like a snail might be one way of getting a better profile.

I'm waiting for the gruesome Think advert with an eyeliner pencil poking the eye out of some woman while she was driving :D


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If you take the title of this thread and apply the Government's standard response to accident causation there can be only one conclusion:

Women "speed" more than men. :D

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I'm not impressed by any of the propaganda above.
I want to see a comparison of miles travelled : miles travelled.
I fail to see how comparing one set of drivers that travel lower distance to another that travel higher distances is relevant.

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# On average, women make more trips than men, but men travel much further per year - but the gap in distance travelled is narrowing as travel patterns for men and women change.
# Since 1996 the average distance travelled as a car driver has fallen by around 10% among men but has increased by over 20% among women.
# Just under half of primary school children walked to school in 2008, with a further 43% being driven.
# For secondary school children, two fifths of pupils travelled on foot, while a fifth travelled by car and a further fifth by bus.


http://www.rin.org.uk/sigs-branches/land/land-navigation-and-location-group/news/uk-travel-stats-published

I'll wait for the comparison between male/female in 1991 and the same comparison in 2009. Then look at how they compare.
I noted a comparison for insurance purpose some years ago which suggested that distance for distance there was nothing between either.

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I must admit that of all the times that I have been rear ended, about 4 times in 35 years so not too often, it has been women 3, men 1

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Women drivers are more likely to be involved in accidents with another vehicle where they are at fault - 26% of all accidents involving women against 20.6% involving men


Is there another sex that is at fault most of the time?

It appears the figures quoted are the proportion of all accidents for a sex where there was both another vehicle involved and it was driven by the opposite sex. This means the percentages are for different sets, one for accidents involving at least one woman and the other for accidents involving at least one man.

All accidents involving women
W:W = ??%
W:X = ??%
W:M = ??% Man at fault
W:M =26% Woman at fault

All accidents involving men
M:M = ??%
M:X = ??%
M:W = ??% Woman at fault
M:W = 20.6% Man at fault

X = no other vehicle involved.

As we do not know the proportions for men to men and men to trees we cannot say what percentage of men's total accidents have a woman at fault. We could easily have-

All accidents involving women
W:W = 40%
W:X = 6%
W:M = 28% Man at fault
W:M =26% Woman at fault

All accidents involving men
M:M = 40%
M:X = 21%
M:W = 18.4% Woman at fault
M:W = 20.6% Man at fault

This is only a suggestion, I do not know how the figures were arrived at because there is not enough information.

What does seem unlikely is for the figures to be calculated as a proportion of all accidents

All accidents
M:M = ??%
W:W = ??%
M:X = ??%
W:X = ??%
W:M = 26% woman at fault
M:W = 20.6% man at fault

It seems unlikely that nearly half of accidents involve both a man and woman.

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Well . all 5 Swiss girls are "odd" in that they enjoy driving./. appreciate and "feel speed" .. can map read . have a good sense of direction and generally TALK cars :mrgreen: :bighand:

My own wife Alice and Ted's sisters are perhaps more "normal" :hehe: in that their eyes "glaze over" when we all talk cars/handling/engines/oil.. errrr..... best tyre deals etc .. .. and you have to coax them to a track day... gently chat about their rare "errors" :yikes: :bunker: They are careful. observant ... and have spatial awareness: they can park.. read a map .. know where they are and have an idea of direction/distance.


Overtaking on a motorway: these non-Swiss female family members are above average from my own observations of their drives.. (Julia (Ted's youngest sister) gets the most nervous of them when I'm in her car though :roll: Cannot understand why :popcorn: )

The only time they overtake on A NSL roads is when an overtaking lane appears. Other than that - they appear happy enough to just plod along behind the 40 mph everywhere driver :popcorn:. My wife usually tells me off for being "impatient" when I do overtake :hehe: . but shuts up when I remind her "who she's talking to here" :lol: (Them legs and the sexy smile get her out of most bother.. but not that type of "bother" :hehe: !

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they appear happy enough to just plod along behind the 40 mph everywhere driver


I got to thinking today (after being stuck behind more than enough 40MPH on NSL sunday drivers)
I wonder with all the 40MPH limits sprouting up like mushrooms, ( I remember the days when you would hardly see one at all around Shropshire), If the people who sit in the local authority offices dreaming up all these 40MPH limits in areas that don't need to be and have been NSL for deacdes, if THEY are the very people who are "reluctant" to go above 40MPH and overtake anyone who travels at 40MPH....makes you wonder doesn't it???

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Depends on the woman .We've got "girly " girls -who see the car as transport from A to B.( Thats my elder daughter ,who despite having a HGV driver as a hubby , will never progress beyond that ,and neither will her level of driving/skills /safety outlook.
Then theirs my younger daughter - who can be a girly girl , when she's not on a 125 Honda , or on the rear of partners 600 *** - she used to be a Fiesta gal ,till she got a 4x4 and a chuckwagon . Now she despises "little cars 2 and drives a Laguna RT Sport .Transits don't frighten her anymore . Today ,I took her home as Laguna has a problem .Coming round a corner ,I got a bit technical , about keeping wide and sweeping into the corner -"that's the way I'd do it ,dad" was the comment - so just perhaps ,I've got a daughter that drives like a bloke (put that down to her biker partner ) - but it's loverly - and her COAST skill are definately up ,perhaps also due to her biking .But then as someone will say - redhead bikers always do it best -

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I guess we need to obtain the Insurance and hospital data figures to help put dome facts to this. I also wonder how many men have an incident think they are OK for a few days until they really feel that they have to go to the doctor for a check up - or is this less so these days - chaps? Does this ever even end up on the hospital data ?
Do women have more hard braking incidents than men ? How can we ever tell other than a major Countrywide study or poll ?

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In car video monitoring is probably the only answer. There are companies that provide this stuff for fleets to monitor harsh braking etc. British Gas have just had their vans kitted out with it. A good sample of drivers, monitored over a year or two would give some idea of actual driver behaviour rather than simulators or questionnaires. You want drivers to forget the stuff is there so they drive normally.


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Certainly finding out what is acceptable and normal behaviour, and what or when are the problems is important, or we can end up trying to stop people doing various behaviours that
1) they will continue to do anyway
2) are not actually the route cause of accidents
3) penalise drivers for doing things,
which are simply 'possible' to punish them for, without altering behaviour, or obtaining a better attitude by better education and understanding of best practices.

Just because something is identified may not necessarily imply that it is a serious problem.
This new camera ability to observe all driver behaviour must be done by first understanding the root causes of accidents and remember that it is only enforcement necessary to help prevent accdients not enforce for the sake of it.

Discouraging bad behaviours can be achieved with better education and guidelines.

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On the lighter side -but they might just be using this as a yardstick -women do end up in hospital /get more attention than blokes - when a couple start a family -who ends up in hospital getting treatment .OK-occasionally it's hubby ,who injures himself in the labour ward falling on the floor ,but -who ends up on the table -in pain -the wife .( Till some female doctor says -"she's had enough -it's you're turn to do somat about it - and for the next fortnight - hide the silverskin jar :D :D )-and the missus laughs as hubby walks bowlegged .

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