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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 18:58 
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BBC.co.uk wrote:
Lower speed limits advised for road accident blackspots
New advice to councils to cut the speed limit on roads with accident blackspots is being published by the government.

Ministers want the national speed limit of 60mph lowered to 50mph on selected main roads in rural areas.

They are advising local authorities to introduce gradually 20mph zones in all residential areas and near schools.

The government says more ambitious targets are needed for reducing deaths as it enters the final year of its decade-long road safety strategy.

More than 32,000 people have died on British roads in the past 10 years but the country's record has improved.

The government's target of cutting deaths and serious injuries by 40% by the end of 2010 has already been met but ministers are planning more ambitious goals.

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On Wednesday they will issue guidance to councils urging blanket speed limits of 50mph, rather than 60mph, on rural single-carriageway A roads with a history of accidents.

The government also says the standard limit should be 20mph around homes and schools.

BBC transport correspondent Tom Symonds says the move will not be popular with those opposing tighter restrictions on motorists.

But safety experts say deaths are still not falling fast enough, partly because of poor driving.

The BBC News website has launched an interactive map which plots the location of every death on the roads in the last decade.

For the first time it allows users to examine accident blackspots near where they live.

Are these "accident blackspots":
- where there is a genuine elevated risk of an accident in the future - in which case shouldn't that risk be engineered out?
or
- where there was a temporal random cluster of KSIs - in which case aren't we back to square 1 with RTTM?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 23:43 
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My hazy recollection of earlier this year was of a government trying to reassure motorists that there would NOT be a blanket 50 limit imposed - it would ONLY be CONSIDERERD at accident blackspots.

Did I imagine it all????


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:49 
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Unless speed is a factor in the blackspot accident then it is going to do F all. A lot on rural roads I notice are in the wee small hours. Tiredness/drunkness/druggedness perhaps more important?

It just beggars belief sometimes just how these road safety experts can't think of anything to do other than lower the speed limit.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 20:53 
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I refer to a re-run of a Fifth Gear prog which examined und tested the change from 60 moh to 50 mph in TRL testing depth.

OK .. so they found that kinetic forces per secondary school physic prevail if you hit a 1950'ws tractor without braking. OK .. no one can argue with that in all reality.

But we have the astuteness of human desire to survive in the face of any danger und most of us see the danger ahead und try as hard as we can as members of the "self preservation society" if you like :wink:

OK - Ist Yuletide. I am trying to be jolly here.

But the bottom line found that if you slow- und most of us of ganz und gar normal natural intelligence do instinctively for any one hazard - then you reduce the risk. All COAST awares do so. Most of us are by the way. We just think we need to remind some as a constant - especially folk with too much time on their hands like some "on-line cops" und "prat managers" we are aware of :wink: (If they take offence where none intended - they will prove they are trollsters by the way.. I lay an OPEN trap this time. :wink: HE know I KNOW :wink: Ooh.. I lay traps in my smallest print:lol: :yikes:

We always come back to COAST in all reality all the same. Ist a system. We have proof it exist for longest time. Jazz. My lovely sister-in-law. She look after a very elderly relative. She has been decluttering some 50 years of so of junk tinged with what she call "Alladdin's Cave". She find a few gems which she show us... INCREDIBLE - she has a Ford pamphlet decribiing the expert driver. This cost the princeley sum of 9d. Nine old imperial pennies when 12 pennies made a shilling und 20 of these made a pound note. (5p equate to 12d by the way apparently und 100 p = 240 d = £1.00 :wink:) . But back to my point (I make the reference to show how old COAST really IST here :wink:... That old booklet mention COAST in writing so ist nothing really new .. bu something some folk CHOOSE to ignore und KILL themselves along with other innocents as a direct result of their own stupidity. :roll: Sorry if this ist too unpolitcally correct in direct bluntness of statement of the bhlinking obvious .. but sometimes NEEDS JUST MUST! :wink:

Und (my acridly blunt -tactless/non diplomatic und completely politically incorrect opinion) fairly professionally minded Fifth Gear along with a very populistic -cum chav-cum middle aged wannabe racer Top Gear und more informed media all confirm this.

I am sure all understand the tongue in cheek nature of this post by the way und understand that the wild feline ist back .. with sharp claws . having been rather poorly und causing concerns to my family as result. I think I need to establish I am back to "ganz normal" in acidic wry tongue-in-cheek-quasi Clarksonesque banter as my Nomal here :lol:

Und I just love your imperial measures.. Ist always a challenge to me :lol: as "foreign person!" :hehe:

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