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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:44 
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This deserves its own thread:

BBC Online wrote:
Acpo's Mick Giannasi fears speed camera cut risks lives

Lives will be put at risk as a result of government cuts to speed cameras, Britain's top traffic police officer has warned.

Chief Con Mick Giannasi, of Gwent Police, said casualties had almost halved over an eight year period due to the use of speed cameras.

It comes after the government cut £38m from this year's road safety budget.

The Department for Transport has said road safety remains a priority for councils despite speed camera cuts.

The government has also ended central funding for speed cameras - a central plank of its promise to "end the war on the motorist".

About 6,000 speed cameras have appeared on Britain's roads since they were introduced in 1992, generating some £100m in fines each year.

Last month it emerged that Oxfordshire County Council will switch off its 72 fixed cameras. The decision was part of moves to save money.

Other local authorities are also considering similar action.

Mr Giannasi, who speaks on road policing for the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo), told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "The evidence is that road safety camera partnerships have achieved significant reductions in road casualties over the last decade - there are almost half the number of casualties now that there were eight years ago, and actually there is very clear evidence to show that the public accepts them.

"We recognise that we have to save money, we recognise that road safety has to play its part in this, but these cuts in particular are a threat to the future sustainability of the system."

He said he was working with the government to "persuade them that action needs to be taken to protect the system for the future of our road safety".

According to a report in the Times, he has written to ministers warning of a rise in fatal road accidents as councils switch off cameras because they can no longer afford to operate them.

It comes as another police chief openly expressed concerns about road safety.

Cambridgeshire Chief Constable Julie Spence told the Daily Telegraph speeding is "middle class anti-social behaviour".

She said: "People think, 'we should be able to get away with it'. They wouldn't tolerate law-breaking by anybody else but they do it themselves without thinking.

"It all seems ok until something tragic happens, like a child dies because of a road traffic accident."

Fears raised by police chiefs were echoed by Julie Townsend, deputy chief executive of road safety charity Brake, who told the programme a "large scale" removal of speed cameras would be "a devastating blow to road safety".

"We know that cameras are very effective in cutting speeding which is vital for protecting all road users," she said.

A Department for Transport spokeswoman said road safety remained a priority.

She said: "The coalition government is committed to further improving road safety but it is right that local councils decide how best to tackle specific problems in their areas.

"We ended central government funding for new fixed speed cameras because we don't believe we should dictate to councils that they use them as the default solution in reducing accidents."

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:54 
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Chief Con Mick Giannasi, of Gwent Police, said casualties had almost halved over an eight year period due to the use of speed cameras.

Oh that's right: road engineering, police and public information campaigns, improved car design, better post crash response and care - none of these helped in any way! :loco:

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We know that cameras are very effective in cutting speeding which is vital for protecting all road users

Yes, they are very good at distracting, and forcing adverse reactions from, drivers!

The budget is better spent on real trafpol!

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You'd think the :bluelight: would want finite resources spending on them, not on civvies.

Apparently not.


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I'm gutted that I have paid for ABS, air bags, curtain airbags, auto tensioning seat belts, side impact protection etc., etc., when I bought my car, when all that was needed was for the government to put up more speed cameras.

Do you think I could sue the manufacturers for falsely claiming that these features were there for mine and other drivers protection...? :whome:

It's a shame about the people killed on their driveways by relatives reversing, or those drivers who pulled out in front of oncoming traffic or got hit by trains on crossings - if ONLY a speed camera had been handy, they might be alive today. :(

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Chief Con Mick Giannasi, of Gwent Police, said casualties had almost halved over an eight year period due to the use of speed cameras.

REALLY?

Figure 1 of http://wales.gov.uk/docs/statistics/201 ... 2010en.pdf doesn't show that at al!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 19:48 
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The guys a simpleton with obviously no clue as to anything regarding speed.
Cut him open and youd find the words " nu labour " around his core like a stick of rock.

Maybe someone should ask him how come in swindon the opposite to what he's screeching about has happened?
Luckily it would appear his ilk are a dying breed, now that the oxygen of labour support has been cut off, the last gasp of an ailing ideology.

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To be fair to 'Britain's Top Traffic Police Officer' (BBC's description) didn't actually say he "fears speed camera cut risks lives" That was the BBC's header for the piece on the TV news and the headline online. They went on to show an interview with him where he expressed concern that unless alternatives were found to the cameras he feared there might be a rise in KSI. Which isn't quite the same thing.

Though he did go on to blot his copy book with the some other remarks :roll:

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As head of ACPO it is of concern that he/they are so sold on the idea od cameras that they have forgottent that they are meant to be protecting and serving.

We need more well trained police to properly advise and guide road users and enforce proportionately & appropriately.
He did announce on Radio 5 live earlier in the day, that N Wales had never hid any cameras which brought in a flodd of references to the horsebox SCam !

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Steve wrote:
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Chief Con Mick Giannasi, of Gwent Police, said casualties had almost halved over an eight year period due to the use of speed cameras.

REALLY?

Figure 1 of http://wales.gov.uk/docs/statistics/201 ... 2010en.pdf doesn't show that at al!

Returning to this:
That graph shows a 40% fall over the 13 years between 1994-1998 average to 2009 (call that 13 years if you want).

Nationally [based on DfT data], the fatality rate fell by that same amount over the same timescale from 1978-1982 average to 1993 - before speed cameras took off! So what?!?

We know the national fatality rate fall trend has dramatically lessened over the last decade, so I can't help but wonder if those figures for Wales show a steeper fall of casualties prior to 1993? :scratchchin:

Of course, none of this accounts for net distance travelled, where we know the 'fatality gap' is known to be more pronounced.

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