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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 13:46 
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A driver aid, not a driving aid:

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Germans develop sleepy-driver car 'warning' system

In Germany, apart from the well-known national passion for efficiency and order, a common trait among the citizenry is the desire for driving extremely fast along the autobahn.

When bombing along the fast lane at 150mph (240km/h) in your BMW, even a split second's inattention can be fatal. And yet we are all human, and sometimes even a German driver will nod off momentarily.

That, and the resulting bloody mayhem of twisted metal and shattered human bodies, is inefficient and disorderly - thus, intolerable to the remorseless boffins of the Fraunhofer Institute. They have decided that harsh automated discipline is necessary to stamp out the weakness of slack, torpid drivers.

Thus it is that a crack team from the Institut für Digitale Medientechnologie (IDMT) in Ilmenau have come up with a system they describe as "Augenbewegungen des Fahrers beobachtet und ihn rechtzeitig vor dem Einnicken warnt" ("Eye movements of the driver observes and it in time before dozing off warns") or Eye-Tracker for short. Unlike most eye-tracking systems previously seen, it is accurate and reliable, yet requires no time-consuming calibration to individual users.

“With conventional systems, every person whose line of vision is to be monitored has to complete more or less time-consuming preparations - because every head, every face, every pair of eyes is different,” says Professor Doktor-Ingenieur Peter Husar of the IDMT.

“What we have developed is a small modular system with its own hardware and programs on board, so that the line of vision is computed directly within the camera itself. Since the Eyetracker is fitted with at least two cameras that record images stereoscopically – meaning in three dimensions – the system can easily identify the spatial position of the pupil and the line of vision,” Husar continues.

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The cameras evaluate up to 200 images per second to identify the line of vision, even when a driver’s head moves to the left or right. Yet the Eyetracker is only roughly half the size of a matchbox and practically undetected when mounted behind the sun visor and in the dashboard. The tiny lenses are just three to four millimeters in diameter.

The system can be configured to trigger any desired response when a driver's eyes close for longer than the pre-set interval: a simple alarm, of course, or perhaps a more robust stimulus such as a recorded voice shrieking a volley of commands at the delinquent driver or a brief electric shock. (The IDMT doesn't actually specify these last two options: the German boffins merely state that their equipment can "issue a warning" to incipiently-sleepy drivers. "Vake up unt drife properly OR YOU VILL BE SHOT", for instance.)

The Eye-Tracker has a USB interface allowing it to connect to a car's trip computer or another machine as desired. The IDMT will be showing it off at the VISION trade fair in Stuttgart next month. ®

In principle I think this is a good thing, but it will be a bad thing is this is used in lieu of reviewing (motorway) limits to reasonable levels.

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I'm with you there Steve but the cynic in me, as always, wonders where it's going and how it could be used against us or go wrong.

It reminds me of one of the systems we use at work called Eyegaze. It's been around a long time...

"LC Technologies, Inc. has developed an unique Eyetracking Technology that is both an eye-operated computer for control and communication, and a device for monitoring and recording eye motion and related eye data."

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I suppose, if it's a German system, it probably won't just give a warning, it'll kill the ignition and then say "For you, ze drive is over"!

More seriously, I know there's a huge amunt of work in this area going on. This is very sophisticated, but there are already regulations being drafted for "lane departure warning systems" - the sorts of things that shake the steering wheel or driver's seat when you drift out of your lane. On the face of it, a good thing, and another reason why newer cars are likely to be safer in the future (or, if the scamera partnerships are still around, another reason to justify their existence)! :wink:

However, we also have to look further than the good idea. It would be SO easy to then get the ECU to log the number of times it had been necessary to "wake you up". It could log the frequency and duration of each dozing-off episode and store them for the crash investigators...

Now that, in itself, mightn't be a bad thing, but once you start convicting people on the strength of it, the system would have to be damned reliable! As a society, we might also have to accept increased intervention and surveilance of our actions.


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Mole wrote:
It would be SO easy to then get the ECU to log the number of times it had been necessary to "wake you up". It could log the frequency and duration of each dozing-off episode and store them for the crash investigators...
That's interesting Mole, but why stop there, before any accident?

It could be downloaded at the MOT and passed onto the DVLA where your licence can be revoked if your are deemed a high risk. See, I said I'm a cynic. ;) I'm sure insurance companies would also like to get their hands on that information :roll:

Further more, I can't see how it could differentiate between a dozing off episode or avoidance of something in the road because of another driver's action or cat, dog, squirrel, deer, puddle, child, girl with nice boobies....?

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Mole wrote:

However, we also have to look further than the good idea. It would be SO easy to then get the ECU to log the number of times it had been necessary to "wake you up". It could log the frequency and duration of each dozing-off episode and store them for the crash investigators...

Now that, in itself, mightn't be a bad thing, but once you start convicting people on the strength of it, the system would have to be damned reliable! As a society, we might also have to accept increased intervention and surveilance of our actions.


After having worked with a bloke who could fall asleep standing up - I wonder just how useful this could be .Young fit healthy 20 something bloke ,, hobby was wrestling -so possibly very fit - and with a decent degree-so not a dunce either .During the day - he was reasonably safe ( i.e not likely to doze off,) ,but at night, he'd drop off at a nod - meaning being in a vehicle with him -you stayed awake . I've been in with him at night ,having a conversation and had to grab wheel to stop us going through fence-he'd nodded off -though he wouldn't admit it .Excuse - over tired .( Funny how he had the highest rate of wheel damage in the company) .So how high a percentage of the population are like this but don't know it's a problem -or won't /can't admit to it ?

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I don't know! I haven't really got a clue how these systems work, I just know they're in development! Tone, I hadn't thought of the "commercial" implications of the data from such a system. You're right. it's quite scary. It could be a whole Pandora's box full of worms!

Botach, I guess anyone can fall asleep - although it looks like your colleague was something special! I know it happened to me once, not long after I'd learned to drive. Fortunately, my cousin was in the front passenger seat and she screamed and woke me up as we drifted on to the hard shoulder, so no harm was done. I had (naively!) assumed that the car I was in was far too noisy and uncomfortable to fall asleep in! It hasn't happeed to me since, (now that I now what to look out for) but I've certainly felt tired in the past and, if truth be told, should have pulled over for a kip.


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Reminds me of the old joke: "I want to die quietly in my sleep like my Father. No in abject screaming terror like the passengers in his car. :D

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