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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 17:36 
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It does seem like the dynamic duo have run out of answers. However a farmer friend of mine, has told me of an impending order for the biggest load of Bu@@@@@t that he's ever been asked for....watch this space ....;_)

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 18:55 
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mmmmm, I do wonder at the intelligence of camera partnership members (or ex ones) when you consider GS's Maths (In)ability and Cam Ops lack of joined up thinking.


Perhaps he can enlighten us, as to what he might consider a suitable target for alignment, that he might use? I know what I would use but won't give him any clues yet cos he's supposed to be the "professional" here.


sorry i thought you was asking your professional to explain,

now what would i have used for alignment, BTW which alignment are you talking about red dot to laser, or cross hairs to red dot :scratchchin:

Syndey opera house gives a good reading, but then so does Blackpool tower and the O2 arena, Edinburgh castle is a big no no

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 18:58 
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It does seem like the dynamic duo have run out of answers. However a farmer friend of mine, has told me of an impending order for the biggest load of Bu@@@@@t that he's ever been asked for....watch this space ....;_)


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However, I’m still so very interested in the answer that greenshed gives. I think he also knows the answer but will be loathed to give it , especially for the UK models.

What say you greenshed?

'Where are the speed camera men and their friendly responses?' :D


what question is that

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 19:48 
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However, I’m still so very interested in the answer that greenshed gives. I think he also knows the answer but will be loathed to give it , especially for the UK models.

What say you greenshed?

'Where are the speed camera men and their friendly responses?' :D


what question is that

This one.

Do you know the answer, CO?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 22:28 
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I've got a couple you've dodged as well! <-- FOMO

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 23:37 
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However, I’m still so very interested in the answer that greenshed gives. I think he also knows the answer but will be loathed to give it , especially for the UK models.

What say you greenshed?

'Where are the speed camera men and their friendly responses?' :D


what question is that

This one.

Do you know the answer, CO?


with the TSM as an operator (EX for a few years now) E03 would be established very quickly, .33 second i recall possible 10 reading or trigger release, cycle starts again

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 23:53 
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To check the alignment the operator must select a suitable target.

This target should have a straight vertical and horizontal edge, with nothing in the immediate background, preferably just sky.

The operator, after selecting the tt mode, moves the LTI slowly from off the left or right side of the vertical edge of the target, noting when the tone starts to increase in both pitch and level.

Then he notes when the peak audio, in both pitch and level, occurs. This should be when the red dot is on the very edge of the selected target.

He then checks that the opposite occurs as the LTI is moved off the other side of the target.

He then repeats the same for the horizontal edge of the target, remembering that in this case the red dot is 5cms above the centre of the laser.

If the device passes this check then he can safely say the red dot and laser are correctly aligned.

However this check must be carried out slowly and with great care and precision.

It cannot be carried out a speed, no matter how experienced the operator is.



I think we were queerying this alignment check if you recall and I wondered what YOU might consider a "suitable " target....remember?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 00:01 
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camera operator wrote:
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This one.

Do you know the answer, CO?


with the TSM as an operator (EX for a few years now) E03 would be established very quickly,

Good innit! :D

Kudos to you for correctly answering something that greenshed evaded!

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To check the alignment the operator must select a suitable target.

This target should have a straight vertical and horizontal edge, with nothing in the immediate background, preferably just sky.

The operator, after selecting the tt mode, moves the LTI slowly from off the left or right side of the vertical edge of the target, noting when the tone starts to increase in both pitch and level.

Then he notes when the peak audio, in both pitch and level, occurs. This should be when the red dot is on the very edge of the selected target.

He then checks that the opposite occurs as the LTI is moved off the other side of the target.

He then repeats the same for the horizontal edge of the target, remembering that in this case the red dot is 5cms above the centre of the laser.

If the device passes this check then he can safely say the red dot and laser are correctly aligned.

However this check must be carried out slowly and with great care and precision.

It cannot be carried out a speed, no matter how experienced the operator is.



I think we were queerying this alignment check if you recall and I wondered what YOU might consider a "suitable " target....remember?


again is that red dot to laser or cross hair to red dot two seperate procedures a lot of assumption there, what manual is that out of,

no talk of focal length or depth of field,

graball can you expand on your knowledge or can i class you as a re invention to the defence team, they come and go

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Ok, I'll make it easier for you, instead of using the more lengthy procedure that Tim supply, we will use the simplified instructions that you gave and from that I refer to.....

"3. at base station again at a predetermined point pt the device into TTmode, pan the red dot vertical and horizontal, the audible tone advices when the laser hits the target"

So again, what would you class a suitable "target"? Not a difficult question surelY????

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 15:42 
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graball wrote:
Ok, I'll make it easier for you, instead of using the more lengthy procedure that Tim supply, we will use the simplified instructions that you gave and from that I refer to.....

"3. at base station again at a predetermined point pt the device into TTmode, pan the red dot vertical and horizontal, the audible tone advices when the laser hits the target"

So again, what would you class a suitable "target"? Not a difficult question surelY????


well when you clarify what the question is then no it is not difficult, at base station we had a nice big square :30: sign

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Ok, I'll make it easier for you, instead of using the more lengthy procedure that Tim supply, we will use the simplified instructions that you gave and from that I refer to.....

"3. at base station again at a predetermined point pt the device into TTmode, pan the red dot vertical and horizontal, the audible tone advices when the laser hits the target"

So again, what would you class a suitable "target"? Not a difficult question surelY????


well when you clarify what the question is then no it is not difficult, at base station we had a nice big square :30: sign


At base station were you a similar distance from said sign as you were the vehicles against which you later enforced?

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well when you clarify what the question is then no it is not difficult, at base station we had a nice big square :30: sign

Isn't an alignment done on site? :scratchchin:

To cut to the chase: have the targets chosen for alignment, at enforcement sites, always been suitable?

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And in the field how many speed signs are actually square? This is taken from a point where our most prominant local, mobile speed van parks, I would be interested to see what you would describe as a suitable "target" to use in this situation?

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=priorsl ... 2,,0,-0.63

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 19:25 
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At base station were you a similar distance from said sign as you were the vehicles against which you later enforced?


not always no,

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well when you clarify what the question is then no it is not difficult, at base station we had a nice big square :30: sign

Isn't an alignment done on site? :scratchchin:

To cut to the chase: have the targets chosen for alignment, at enforcement sites, always been suitable?

:angel:


again confusing red dot to laser TT check, which is entirely different from the crosshair to red dot check

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And in the field how many speed signs are actually square? This is taken from a point where our most prominant local, mobile speed van parks, I would be interested to see what you would describe as a suitable "target" to use in this situation?

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=priorsl ... 2,,0,-0.63


i was going to suggest someone pick a site, assuming from the close tra island the van parks and aims back towards the M54 i would personaly use the :40::camera: ffic or the directional keep left arrow http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=priorslee&hl=en&ll=52.690301,-2.416263&spn=0.012304,0.027595&sll=53.852527,-4.042969&sspn=14.310144,39.506836&layer=c&cbll=52.690374,-2.416481&panoid=ThaGik0pQ6MUcBpWSq27nA&cbp=12,77.12,,0,-0.63&z=15 to align the cross hairs to the red dot, assuming the is a clear line of sight

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Isn't an alignment done on site? :scratchchin:

To cut to the chase: have the targets chosen for alignment, at enforcement sites, always been suitable?

:angel:


again confusing red dot to laser TT check, which is entirely different from the crosshair to red dot check

Cam Op, I think you didn't understand my very simple question.

I am not talking about techniques of alignment, nor am I talking about that part of the setup is aligned with what.

I am asking about the suitability of the target used for alignment - in the field; indeed a few of us have been. Please re-read the question and try again.

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Steve wrote:

I am asking about the suitability of the target used for alignment - in the field; indeed a few of us have been. Please re-read the question and try again.


just to confirmthe crosshairs to red dot alignment and not TT

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I am asking about the suitability of the target used for alignment - in the field; indeed a few of us have been. Please re-read the question and try again.


just to confirmthe crosshairs to red dot alignment and not TT

Forget it Cam Op.
This subject is obviously too complicated for a camera operator to understand.

Would it be the first time? :angel:

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Steve wrote:
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I am asking about the suitability of the target used for alignment - in the field; indeed a few of us have been. Please re-read the question and try again.


just to confirmthe crosshairs to red dot alignment and not TT

Forget it Cam Op.
This subject is obviously too complicated for a camera operator to understand.

Would it be the first time? :angel:


nothing to complicated steve,

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Except perhaps the difference between 'to' and 'too'! :P

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