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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 23:10 
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Removal of speed camera was a "significant" factor in teenager's death, Brent Knoll
3:27pm Monday 11th July 2011

A CORONER has said the removal of a speed camera on the A370 in East Brent was a significant factor in the death of a teenager.

In a letter to Somerset County Council, West Somerset Coroner Michael Rose said 19-year-old Billy Davis’ death “in part may have been prevented” had the camera just before the scene of the accident not been removed.

Mr Davis died when his BMW crashed into a telegraph pole and burst into flames at 2.10am on September 18 last year; the camera been disabled only weeks earlier.
An inquest heard he had been driving between 60 and 70mph on the stretch and had been one-and-a-half times over the legal drink-drive limit.

In his letter, Mr Rose said: “The reason I am bringing this matter to your attention at this stage is that there appears to be growing evidence that speed cameras do play an important part in reducing accidents.”
He said he did not believe Mr Davis had drunk so much alcohol that it would have impaired his ability to recognise where a known speed camera was working.

A spokesman for Somerset County Council said: "Enforcement cameras are no longer within the control of the county council.
“The police are now solely responsible for camera enforcement across the county. We will be urging police to focus their mobile camera enforcement on road casualty sites.”
However, Avon and Somerset Constabulary said fixed cameras were the county council’s responsibility and funding them would be their decision.
A police spokesman added the offer to process ticketing from fixed cameras still stood.
They ought to be looking at sound engineering solutions to road accidents sights, not 'just' asking the Police to enforce speed limits. The fact that he was over the drink/drive limit has to have played a significant roll in his ability to assess and to control his vehicle.
Had a camera been there, there is no evidence to show that he would not still have had the same accident at that spot or 200yds down the road. How did the accident happen anyway ? Was he braking and lost control because he still thought that the camera was there / or still working ? Most camera's have been left in situ - has this one ?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 23:48 
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An inquest heard he had been driving between 60 and 70mph on the stretch and had been one-and-a-half times over the legal drink-drive limit.


Yeah... that would have shown up on the speed camera photo - which he would have got a week or so later! :lol:
We should be grateful that he only killed himself. :clap:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 00:47 
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As has been said elsewhere, do speedcams suddenly have the magical property of being able to detect drunk drivers?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 01:03 
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West Somerset Coroner Michael Rose wrote:
He said he did not believe Mr Davis had drunk so much alcohol that it would have impaired his ability to recognise where a known speed camera was working.

Yet he was drunk enough such he couldn't do something rather more important than look out for cameras, like stay on the road.

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It would be interesting to know how far, "just before the scene of the accident", the camera was and if seeing it caused severe braking or loss af attention and had it actually been "removed" or just "disabled"?

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It would be interesting to know how someone who thinks that a binary state, such as death, can ever be prevented "in part" managed to became a coroner!

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RobinXe wrote:
It would be interesting to know how someone who thinks that a binary state, such as death, can ever be prevented "in part" managed to became a coroner!


maybe the coroners are also in the hands of the SCP

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West Somerset Coroner Michael Rose wrote:
He said he did not believe Mr Davis had drunk so much alcohol that it would have impaired his ability to recognise where a known speed camera was working.

Yet he was drunk enough such he couldn't do something rather more important than look out for cameras, like stay on the road.


is this RTTM ( sorry could not resist)

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We should be grateful that he only killed himself. :clap:


still someones son, or is that irrelevant

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RobinXe wrote:
It would be interesting to know how someone who thinks that a binary state, such as death, can ever be prevented "in part" managed to became a coroner!


maybe the coroners are also in the hands of the SCP

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We should be grateful that he only killed himself. :clap:


still someones son, or is that irrelevant

If we were talking emotionally then yes of course. Every person who suffers at the hands of flawed policy is an especially tragic death.
The false assumption that a 'working camera' will somehow have helped, one assumes in their belief that if every vehicle travelled more slowly, that will encourage motorists to pay perfect attention to potential hazards, and so be alert and ready for every event is astounding!

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RobinXe wrote:
It would be interesting to know how someone who thinks that a binary state, such as death, can ever be prevented "in part" managed to became a coroner!


maybe the coroners are also in the hands of the SCP

Ernest Marsh wrote:
We should be grateful that he only killed himself. :clap:


still someones son, or is that irrelevant

If we were talking emotionally then yes of course. Every person who suffers at the hands of flawed policy is an especially tragic death.
The false assumption that a 'working camera' will somehow have helped, one assumes in their belief that if every vehicle travelled more slowly, that will encourage motorists to pay perfect attention to potential hazards, and so be alert and ready for every event is astounding!


so is the removal of the camera a flawed policy ?, a working camera / empty box may have helped, yes he was DD 1 1/2 times over the limit whats that 5 pints, hardly a scenario where he could not concentrate, the DD i know are very very cautious about obeying the rules as not to raise suspicion,

i dont know this area, maybe someone who is local to the area can find out the causation factors into why the camera was put there in the first place

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whats that 5 pints, hardly a scenario where he could not concentrate,

Wow!

Really?

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That story defies believe. It seems the only dangerous idiot wasn't the one who sadly lost his life that night.


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