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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 01:10 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-15564065

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The number of people killed or seriously injured on Warwickshire roads has halved since speed cameras were introduced in 2001, according to the Road Safety Partnership.

In 2001 the figure was 639, which fell to 301 by 2010, a fall of 53%.

Councillor Richard Hobbs said: "Speed cameras are not universally popular, but as this data shows their use has brought significant safety benefits."

Warwickshire currently has 34 fixed speed cameras.

Data released by Warwickshire Police revealed that 32,600 motorists were caught speeding by fixed and mobile speed cameras in 2010.

Of these, 12,000 attending a speed awareness workshop instead of being prosecuted.

Supt Adrian McGee, from Warwickshire Police said he was disappointed that "as the figures we have published demonstrate, there are still a significant number of drivers who disregard the safety of themselves, their passengers and other road users by exceeding speed limits".

What a ludicrous claim! Correlation does not equal causation :headbash:

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 13:41 
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Of these, 12,000 attending a speed awareness workshop instead of being prosecuted.


Nice little earner for the SCP -possibly explains the replacement of a camera which self destructed last summer .It's also interesting to remember that approx 2009 they had published that they were ahead of target .

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PeterE wrote:
What a ludicrous claim! Correlation does not equal causation :headbash:
Quite!

Completely ignores at least two basic facts. 1) Cars are built better than 10 years ago and are safer than ever before. 2) They can’t possibly know what percentage of KSI incidents were within the speed limit so how can speed cameras possibly take all the credit for improved KSI figures?

Any study of the ‘after’ needs to start with a ‘before’ taking all variables into account. But the introduction of cameras have increased along with the safety of cars, road improvements, better handling vehicles, tyres which stop you quicker, increased street lighting and headlamp brightness, high profile targeting of drink/drug use, tougher driving test, pricing the young and more accident prone off the roads. etc. etc...

So come on! If you are going to start boasting about the efficacy of speed cameras, at the very least go on a thorough, impartial, scientific study! For what those ‘facts’ are worth you may as well be attributing the reduction of STIs down to the introduction of condoms in a community of celibates. If you don’t get all the facts how can you possibly expect to get all the picture? :x

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Is coventry in the warks partnership figures ? (ah looks like the link is to west midlands)

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http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/c ... -29714578/

some dubious reporting of course.... and somewhat limited stats analysis...


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ed_m wrote:
Is coventry in the warks partnership figures ? (ah looks like the link is to west midlands)

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http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/c ... -29714578/

some dubious reporting of course.... and somewhat limited stats analysis...

Ed - the origonal link from Peter is the one on BBC teletext linking to the article . I can confirm that this is Warks - the councillor named in the first post link is a Warks CC

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https://democratic.warwickshire.gov.uk/ ... fault.aspx

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Sorry... i meant the link at the bottom of the telegraph article is west mids... amazing how things change just by crossing a border :wink:


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Sorry... i meant the link at the bottom of the telegraph article is west mids... amazing how things change just by crossing a border :wink:

Don't worry - way things are going , West Mids & Warks will soon be one force ( to all intents & purposes) :o

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The Wark's KSI fall is obviously beyond the national trend. So do Warks have many more cameras than the average county? If not then it is not possible to relate them to the casualty drop.

Here is an equally plausible factor: noise!
Where there somewhat more casualties in 2001 compared to the adjacent years? are there somewhat more casualties in 2011 compared to adjacent years?

There is scope for RTTM.

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Data released by Warwickshire Police revealed that 32,600 motorists were caught speeding by fixed and mobile speed cameras in 2010

If motorists ARE STILL SPEEDING, how can a drop in KSIs be attributed to a number of speed cameras.... THAT ARE STILL CATCHING SPEEDING DRIVERS????

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The Wark's KSI fall is obviously beyond the national trend. So do Warks have many more cameras than the average county? If not then it is not possible to relate them to the casualty drop.

Here is an equally plausible factor: noise!
Where there somewhat more casualties in 2001 compared to the adjacent years? are there somewhat more casualties in 2011 compared to adjacent years?

There is scope for RTTM.


For quite a large county ,the number of cameras is small (
Warwickshire currently has 34 fixed speed cameras.--from article), with some in ridiculous places -two ,at least are on the middle of a long straights on the Fosse Way - a road (IMHO) that's fun , relatively safe (if you remember that farmers use this ,and you might meet a Tractor ), relatively straight ,but a bit narrower than A roads ( it is a B road after all).
Another is after a school (on a downhill slope) :shock: :shock: But when the kids are around ,there's stacks of busses on one side and parked cars on the other ,so there's room only for one way traffic ,with a limite space .
I know a County Councillor who's waiting for the day when sanity rules at County Hall ,the Speed regime collapses an he can say to the leemings "I TOLD YOU SO ).
Perhaps this has come at a time when the waters of sanity are rising and this is a straw destined to try & persuade the Tory CC that cameras are good .Certainly in times of financial problems for all, 12000 * £xxx fee for a speed awareness course makes a good point to keep them ,an try and o a whitewash .

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