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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 23:16 
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London to get 'all-seeing' speed cameras which catch drivers trying to avoid road limits
Clever technology: the cameras will detect motorists who slow down then speed up (Picture: Geoffrey Robinson / Alamy)
David Williams, Motoring Correspondent Published: 28 November 2013 -Updated: 10:51, 28 November 2013

New speed cameras that cannot be cheated by motorists who step on the brakes to avoid being flashed are going up across London.
The average-speed devices outwit drivers who slow down and then speed up again by measuring a vehicle’s speed along a stretch of road, using a network of cameras.
The “all-seeing” devices are being set up by Transport for London to eradicate accidents at gaps between existing, but obsolete, spot cameras.

The four trial sites are on the A406, Hanger Lane to Bounds Green Road; on the A40, Polish War Memorial to Paddington slip road; on the A2, Black Prince to Tunnel Avenue; and on the A316, M3 to Hogarth roundabout.

TfL chose sites where it believes there will be “demonstrable casualty reduction benefits over and above those… achieved by like-for-like replacement of spot speed cameras”.
Spot cameras at the four sites prevent an estimated 16 “killed or seriously injured” accidents a year. But over the past three years 145 such accidents have occurred on the routes in gaps between the cameras.
Transport for London believes that the new cameras will prevent an additional 17 “killed or seriously injured” accidents a year, moving London further towards the Mayor’s target of reducing these accidents by 105 a year.
A report to TfL’s finance policy committee, which this week approved spending on the trial, said members had “concerns about the public acceptability” of the new cameras.

The report said the Mayor wanted the average speed cameras installed at a limited number of sites to “further assess their operational benefits”. The trial routes were chosen because they are high-speed, multi-lane roads with high levels of traffic and speed limits of 40-50mph.

Four other potential sites have been chosen but TfL will first monitor the initial four for two years.

AA president Edmund King said: “The deterrent effect of certain fixed cameras has worn off as some regular commuters tend to increase speeds in between the fixed cameras.
“We believe drivers will accept these new cameras as long as they are clearly signed as average speed cameras on these four routes.”

This is curious they say 'cameras to stop speeding between cameras' and then say average cameras? Are we to believe that they are to leave the Gatso's and add average cameras? Or CCTV to oversee the Gatso's ? ... Curious too that they say 'drivers will accept' - no, they will become more frustrated and then disperse to other roads when possible to preserve their licences.
In rush hour the most accident prone times (most dense and largest volume) traffic is slower than the speed limit anyway.
Sad that they seem totally unable to grasp such simple facts, and realise the av cams will do nothing to improve road safety, but lots to degrade people's driving ability even further ! :(

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 01:39 
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"...Spot cameras at the four sites prevent an estimated 16 “killed or seriously injured” accidents a year. But over the past three years 145 such accidents have occurred on the routes in gaps between the cameras...."

Wouldn't it be funny of there was an earlier press release by that camera partnership crowing about what a wonderful reduction in KSIs there were after installing the cameras?! It does rather sound like they never worked in the first place!

I expect Greeshed will be along soon to tell us that's absolute rubbish because cameras "exert a calming influence on traffic for some considerable distance either side of the camera itself" :wink:


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Well there's RTTM of course and the fact that Prof Allsop cannot distinguish that where a camera is placed, is dangerous or 'safe', all very telling. That there is no correlation between accidents and speed, the list goes on....

They do not have an idea because they never took proper stock of the situation before any camera was placed i.e. not data of volume and density prior to installation. Then they would have had an idea over a number of years.
It was never done. An initial study was never continued ... we never found out what it showed and why it was stopped.

It was all started to have 'cheap police' now we have a right old mess that can only be resolved by putting police back on the roads with less training and less knowledge if that had never been removed in the first place ! Very sad indeed and then of course the roads are far less safe and drivers/riders are also altered with their perception of what is safe driving / riding.

We know now that slowly cameras are being condemned and discontinued.
Welsh Government's detailed analysis of 2011 data, that in their view mobile camera provide no benefit whatever -
From pg 46 2011 Road Casualties Wales print version, not yet found on the Web
[quote=""2011 Road Casualties Wales pg 46]"An increase in enforcement for speeding via the use of fixed visible speed cameras is found to be cost effective, This is not generally the case for mobile cameras or the use of patrol cars. Vehicle activated signs are found to be a cheap and cost effective road safety measure for dealing with speeding."[/quote]
All most interesting ...

In many cases accidents have fallen before cameras were installed (after being approved for installation) and also before the cameras were switched on. As we told them RTTM but they didn't understand, didn't listen, or simply chose to 'belief' someone else. But the truth is slowly emerging as it always does in time. Slowly but surely people are realising that the speed cameras have provided no benefit whatsoever and in fact done harm that will take many many years to put right.

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Out in the country, a lot of road schemes have removed the cause of accidents . A45 RYTON ( outside Coventry springs to mind). Bad accident record due to one junction. First step - add cameras. Didn't work. For what the cameras cost ,it would have been cheaper to shut the centre reservation and make traffic loop on nearby island. Next step - major engineering works. ABD are asking why the cameras still exist. Locally we got speed bumps. Bulkington was known as Bumpington there were that many.

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Sadly the Scam 'powers that be' are working behind the scenes to convince all appropriate people that we all need a 24/7 watch and observation on all our 'speed' for 'our' 'safety' of course ! All utter bunkum and totally pointless except to line their already very happy pockets ! :(
Anyone who understands proper and intelligent road safety recognises that cameras cannot possibly offer any safety addition to road safety. At least it is so far totally unproven and the longer it continues to gradual increase in data that shows this.
They save face than save lives. :(

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Not to mention the new industry in sales of speed cameras and traffic lights which seems to be the only boom industry still in Britain.

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Well it has certainly been one of exceptional profit and spread like a virus and leaving ongoing damage yet to be fully calculated.
There are genuine profits made from real road safety measures like those made in cars and ongoing medical benefits as well as profits from manufacturers of road surfaces and products used for the infrastructure but auto enforcement and speed cameras are profit with no advantage even one that sadly costs lives directly and indirectly.

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