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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 08:20 
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The speed limit for lorries on rural roads will rise from 40mph to 50mph to reduce tailbacks and the risk of people dying in dangerous overtaking manouvers.

Ministers will today announce that they are ending the "antiquated" speed limit restriction on single-carriageway roads to bring Britain into line with other European countries.

The government will also consult on increasing the speed limit for lorries on dual carriageways from 50mph to 60mph.

Officials believe that move will save hauliers an estimated £11 million a year and "reduce congestion on busy rural roads with large numbers of lorries."

Claire Perry, the new transport minister, said: “We’re are doing all we can to get Britain moving and boost growth. This change will do exactly that and save our haulage industry millions a year.

“Britain has one of the world’s best road safety records and yet speed limits for lorries have been stuck in the 1960s.

"This change will remove a 20mph difference between lorry and car speed limits, cutting dangerous overtaking and bringing permitted lorry speeds into line with other large vehicles like coaches and caravans.

"Current speed limits for HGVs were introduced around 50 years ago and need to be updated given improved vehicle technology.”

In January, Jenny-Anne Stone died after trying to overtake a lorry on the A165 near Hull, Yorkshire. She collided with her sister's car, who was also trying to overtake the lorry, and hit a tree.

Ed King, the President of the AA, said: "We know from our members that quite often trucks doing 40mph on rural roads not only causes congestion but actually causes added danger.

"If the truck is doing 50mph, all the evidence suggests that the driver will be quite content to stick behind it rather than try to overtake.

"We think it is a positive step, but on narrower, rural roads which are popular with cyclists the local authorities should be able to apply for 40mph limits."

Jack Semple, of the Road Haulage Association said: “This evidence-based decision by Ministers, to increase the limit to 50mph will be strongly welcomed by hauliers and their drivers. The current limit is long out-of-date and the frustration it generates causes unnecessary road safety risks.”

Long overdue IMV, although you have to wonder whether it will end up running into the sand like the 80 mph motorway limit proposal. Does it have a whiff of pre-election gimmick about it?

No doubt a lot of greens will be spluttering into their muesli this morning :twisted:

And the irony of increasing the HGV speed limit when in large parts of the country car drivers are not allowed to do more than 50 mph on single-carriageway roads is unavoidable :x:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 08:59 
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This will confuse the Community SpeedWatch guys.

I await BRAKE's press release claiming thousands of children will die as a result.

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Here are the consultation results:

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/examining-the-speed-limit-for-heavy-goods-vehicles-over-7-5-tonnes-on-single-carriageway-roads

So this is actually going to happen (at least on single-carriageway roads) - it's not just a proposal.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 13:01 
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BRAKE are on school holidays so haven't woken up to this bit of news but do have a nice article on rural roads, where they reckon that 80% of people (out of a sample of 10 schoolchildren probably) say that evreyone drives too fast on rural roads already...this HGV news should get them peeing themselves then.

http://www.brake.org.uk/news/1249-ruralroads-jul14

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Drivers are being urged to slow down on country roads this summer to enable families, walkers, cyclists and horse riders to enjoy great British countryside, as a survey reveals that a huge proportion treat them like racetracks. Results out today from road safety charity Brake and Digby Brown solicitors reveal one in three drivers (33%) admit driving too fast for safety on country roads, by speeding, taking bends fast or overtaking. Four in 10 (37%) have had a near-miss on country roads, while driving, walking or cycling.

Since there is less traffic on country roads, some drivers feel a false sense of security [1] and are prone to take risks like speeding, overtaking, and not slowing down for brows and bends. In fact, per mile travelled, country roads are the most dangerous for all types of road user, with car occupants almost twice as likely to be killed on a country road than an urban road, motorcyclists more than twice as likely, and cyclists more than three times as likely [2]. In 2013, 895 people were killed on non-built up roads, up 1% on 2012, and 6,554 seriously injured [3].

Brake and Digby Brown's survey of 1,000 UK drivers also found:

One in five (19%) admit breaking speed limits on country roads in the past year
Three in 20 (15%) admit taking corners or brows too fast
One in 20 (5%) admit overtaking when it isn't safe
Three in 10 (28%) have been a passenger with a driver who broke the limit, one in five (19%) with a driver who took corners or brows too fast, and one in 12 (8%) with a driver who overtook when it wasn't safe.
Four in five (80%) think traffic is too fast for safety on some or most rural roads. Full results below.

Fast traffic on country roads not only puts lives at risk, it can also harm people's quality of life by preventing them from enjoying the countryside on foot or bike for fear of being hurt. Three quarters of those surveyed (76%) think country roads need to be safer for cyclists, walkers and horse-riders, and two in five say they would start cycling or cycle more (37%), or start walking or walk more (43%), if these roads were safer [4].

To cut crashes and empower people to enjoy the countryside, Brake is calling on government to lower limits on rural roads to a maximum of 50mph, and require authorities to implement lower limits where there are particular risks. The survey found widespread support for lower limits, with seven in 10 (72%) in favour of more 50, 40 and 30mph limits on country roads, and two thirds (65%) in favour of a 40mph default in national parks.

Brake is urging all drivers to stay well under current limits - bearing in mind 60mph is generally far too fast for safety on these roads - and slow right down for villages, bends, brows and bad weather, and avoid overtaking. Drivers should always assume that someone, or something, could be around any corner.

Julie Townsend, deputy chief executive, Brake, said: "We hear constantly from people in rural areas whose communities are blighted by fast traffic. It's a big issue over the summer when many people want to enjoy our beautiful countryside on foot, bike or horseback, and shouldn't have to contend with drivers treating the roads as their personal racetrack. Driving in this way is incredibly selfish and means people feel less able to get out and enjoy the countryside. People in rural communities and families visiting these areas this summer have a right to enjoy their surroundings without fearing for their safety. Country roads are not empty thoroughfares for traffic; they are living environments, full of unpredictable hazards around every twist and turn. We are urging drivers to slow right down on country roads this summer, especially for villages, bends, brows and bad weather, to respect the countryside and other people's right to enjoy it."

Milly Wastie, former chair of the National Federation of Young Farmers' Clubs, is backing Brake's Rural roads not racetracks campaign. Milly lost a friend to a crash on a country road when she was 17 and has campaigned and educated on road safety in rural areas ever since, including founding the NFYFC's Drive it Home campaign. She said:

"Country roads present many risks and hazards and you never know what might be around the corner, whether it be a cyclist, livestock, or slow moving farm machinery. By sticking well within the limit and reducing your speed as appropriate to the road conditions, you can ensure you are as prepared as possible to handle whatever situation is presented to you. I spend my life driving regularly along country lanes, and having lost a friend in a crash on such a road I want to encourage other road users to take their time, avoid needless risk-taking, and enjoy the countryside - please don't risk harming others."

Fraser Simpson, Digby Brown partner and Brake spokesperson in Scotland, commented: "Careless and reckless driving wrecks lives. At Digby Brown we work with families affected by road traffic crashes and see first-hand their devastating human consequences. Driving on rural roads or in countryside areas has its own challenges and all of us should bear that in mind when we get behind the wheel. We can all do our bit to stop the carnage we see far too often on our roads. Whether it is checking and obeying the speed limit on an unfamiliar road, taking a bit more time to get round a corner or thinking twice about overtaking, care and attention saves lives. This is a really important message and Digby Brown are fully supportive of Brake's campaign and work in this area."

Read about Brake's Rural roads not racetracks campaign. Tweet us: @Brakecharity, hashtag #RuralRoadsnotRacetracks. For interviews with Brake or Milly Wastie, contact Ed Morrow on 01484 550 063 or news@brake.org.uk.

Facts
Per mile travelled, country roads are the most dangerous for all types of road user, with car occupants almost twice as likely to be killed on a country road than an urban road, motorcyclists more than twice as likely, and cyclists more than three times as likely [5]. Country roads are also the most dangerous type of road in relation to traffic volume [6], accounting for 60% of all road deaths: in 2013, 895 people were killed on non-built up roads, compared with 718 on built-up roads and 100 on motorways [7].

Excessive speed and risky overtaking are major factors [8], combined with a false sense of security [9]. A study of rural single-carriageway roads estimated that a 10% increase in mean average speed results in a 30% increase in fatal and serious crashes [10].

By and large, 60mph is too fast for safety on country roads - at this speed, your stopping distance is 73 metres, or three tennis courts, meaning you won't be able to stop in time for an unexpected person or hazard appearing within this distance. If you are overtaking, this will leave you on the wrong side of the road with the gap between you and any oncoming traffic travelling at the same speed closing at 120mph, or 60 metres per second.

Brake's advice
While country roads sometimes appear empty, they are full of unexpected hazards. Even if you know the road well, you never know what's round the corner. That's why slowing down is vital: it enables you to react to the unexpected, such as a cyclist or walker, an animal running out, or debris in the road.

Country roads are shared spaces used by pedestrians, cyclists, horse riders, farm vehicles and animals. Most are narrow with blind corners and bends, and have no pavements or cycle paths. As such, drivers should drive as though someone or something could be round any corner, staying well under limits, acknowledging that 60mph is too fast for safety, and slowing right down for bends, brows and other hazards, whenever visibility or conditions are poor, and slowing to 20mph in villages and around homes and schools. Drivers should also avoid overtaking, unless absolutely essential and 100% safe: unless you need to pass a very slow moving vehicle, and are certain you can get past safely, it's not worth the risk.

Calls for government action
Brake is calling for the government to lower the default speed limit on our rural network from 60 to 50mph, and require local authorities to implement lower limits of 40, 30 and 20mph where there are particular risks, including 20mph in villages.

This must be coupled with wider traffic enforcement, including more speed cameras, especially average cameras, and investment in roads policing, as well as education warning of the dangers of speed and overtaking on rural roads to encourage compliance with lower limits.

Brake also calls for investment in far more traffic-free cycle and walking paths connecting rural communities, as well as frequent, cheap and well-marketed rural bus and train services, to discourage reliance on cars and encourage use of active travel and public transport.

Case study
Dana Trigger, 22, from Aberdeen, was driving from her parents' house to visit her boyfriend, along a narrow country road, in July of 2008. A deer jumped in front of her car, causing her to swerve to avoid it, across an uneven part of the road surface and into a tree. She was killed instantly. Her father, David Trigger, a driving instructor, now has his students perform emergency stops in the same area to help them deal with such a situation.

David says: ''Losing a child is a parent's worst nightmare. It is completely earth-shattering, something you never get over. I have to live with the fact I won't see my daughter Dana again, and the haunting memories of having to identify her body, rather than of the bubbly, smiling girl I knew. Dana's crash is an example of how you never know what to expect next, what's around the corner, on country roads. I urge all drivers to be prepared for any eventuality, and be cautious with their speed, to avoid more tragedies like that which killed my daughter. As I always say to my pupils, you don't have to be going fast to be going too fast."



About the survey
The results, released today, come from a survey of 1,000 drivers and riders conducted by Surveygoo in February 2014.

Full results
Q1. Do you think country roads in your area/region should be made safer for cyclists, walkers and horse-riders? (tick one)

76% said yes
24% said no

Q2. Do you think traffic on country roads in your area/region is too fast for safety? (tick one)

29% said yes, on most country roads
51% said yes, on some country roads
20% said no

Q3. Would you feel more able to enjoy the countryside if country roads were made safer? (tick as many as apply)

23% said yes, I would cycle more
37% said yes, I would walk more
14% said yes, I would start cycling
6% said yes, I would start walking
9% said yes, in other ways
23% said no, I already enjoy the countryside as much as I want to
24% said no, it wouldn't make any difference to me

Q4. In the past year, do you think you have driven faster than was safe on a country road? (tick at least one, and as many as apply)

19% said yes, I've broken speed limits on country roads
11% said yes, I've driven a bit too fast in bad weather/visibility
15% said yes, I've taken corners/brows a bit too fast
5% said yes, I've overtaken when it wasn't totally safe
58% said no, I've always driven within speed limits and slowly enough to be safe on country roads
9% said I've not driven on country roads

Q5. In the past year, have you been a passenger with a driver who has driven too fast on a country road? (tick at least one, and as many as apply)

28% said yes, I've been a passenger with someone who broke speed limits on country roads
17% said yes, I've been a passenger with someone who drove too fast in bad weather/visibility
19% said yes, I've been a passenger with someone who took corners/brows too fast
8% said yes, I've been a passenger with someone who overtook when it wasn't totally safe
37% said no, I've only been a passenger with drivers who drive slowly enough on country roads
22% said I've not been a passenger with anyone on country roads

Q6. Have you ever had a near-miss on a country road while driving, or walking or cycling? (tick any that apply)

23% said yes, with another vehicle while I was driving
6% said yes, with a cyclist, pedestrian or horse rider while I was driving
3% said yes, with no one else involved while I was driving
8% said yes, I was nearly hit while on foot
6% said yes, I was nearly hit while I was cycling
2% said yes, I was nearly hit while riding a horse
63% said none of the above

Q7. Would you support 40mph limits across all country roads in national parks (excepting motorways and major trunk roads) to make it safer for people to walk, cycle ride horses on rural roads? (tick one)

65% said yes
35% said no

Q8. Do you think there should be more lower speed limits (of 50, 40 and 30mph) on country roads to help reduce crashes and make them safer for people to walk and cycle? (tick one)

72% said yes
28% said no

Brake
Brake is a national road safety charity that exists to stop the needless deaths and serious injuries that happen on roads every day, make streets and communities safer for everyone, and care for families bereaved and injured in road crashes. Brake promotes road safety awareness, safe and sustainable road use, and effective road safety policies. We do this through national campaigns, community education, services for road safety professionals and employers, and by coordinating the UK's flagship road safety event every November, Road Safety Week. Brake is a national, government-funded provider of support to families and individuals devastated by road death and serious injury, including through a helpline and support packs.

Brake was founded in the UK in 1995, and now has domestic operations in the UK and New Zealand, and works globally to promote action on road safety.

Road crashes are not accidents; they are devastating and preventable events, not chance mishaps. Calling them accidents undermines work to make roads safer, and can cause insult to families whose lives have been torn apart by needless casualties.

Digby Brown Solicitors
Digby Brown Solicitors are Scotland's largest personal injury practices with offices in Edinburgh, Glasgow, Dundee, Inverness, Kirkcaldy and Aberdeen. The firm won the Community Contribution Award at the 2014 Scottish Legal Awards in recognition of its work with Brake among other organisations and were the only law firm shortlisted in the Customer Focus Category of the 2013 Scottish Business Awards.

End notes
[1] Direct Line report on safe driving 2009-2011, part 3 - speed, Brake and Direct Line, 2010
[2] Reported road casualties Great Britain: 2012, Department for Transport, 2013 - table RAS20005, p94 https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... mplete.pdf
[3] Reported road casualties Great Britain: main results 2013, Department for Transport, 2014 https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... s-2013.pdf. Non-built up roads refers to those with speed limits over 40mph.
[4] Survey of 1,000 drivers and riders conducted for Brake and Digby Brown by Surveygoo, released 24 July 2014
[5] Reported road casualties Great Britain: 2012, Department for Transport, 2013 - table RAS20005, p94 https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... mplete.pdf
[6] Reported road casualties Great Britain: 2012, Department for Transport, 2013 https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... mplete.pdf. In 2012, rural roads accounted for almost 60% of road deaths, in spite of carrying only 42% of traffic.
[7] Reported road casualties Great Britain: main results 2013, Department for Transport, 2014 https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... s-2013.pdf.
[8] Rural roads, Road Safety Observatory, 2014, http://www.roadsafetyobservatory.com/Review/10039
[9] Direct Line report on safe driving 2009-2011, part 3 - speed, Brake and Direct Line, 2010
[10] The relationship between speed and accidents on rural single-carriageway roads, TRL511, Transport Research Laboratory, 2002

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But IS there a hidden agenda? Like reducing more SC roads to :50: :?

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Are there any left? :headbash:

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It probably won't make much difference round here, most HGVs are on there limiter when safe to do so....maybe it will push along the people who now believe that 50MPH (or 45MPH even), is the new NSL, when they get a lorry on their tail.

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I foresee some more tailbacks when HGV gets stuck behind 40 anywhere and can't pass safely . Decision time for HGV driver, does he let others behind pass and risk being at the tail end of a massive queue as no one can get past idiot, or :?:

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At lest the tailback will be moving a bit quicker!

As far as I'm concerned it's about %^&% time this was done! While they're at it, they should scrap the 50 limit on the same roads for light goods vehicles. It's something of a joke amongst car manufacturers that when they have two versions of the same vehicle (one for passengers and one goods) they have to launch the passenger carrying version in the UK before they launch the goods version, so that the authorities regard the goods version as a "car-derived van" and allow them to do 60! It's also a complete joke that "white van man" is limited to 50 in his Transit full of parcels, but if he put windows in the same vehicle, a sink, cooker, beds, it would somehow make the same vehicle "safe" to do 60!


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