Safe Speed Forums

The campaign for genuine road safety
It is currently Thu Oct 29, 2026 03:49

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 6 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 23:43 
Offline
Former Police Officer
Former Police Officer
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2004 00:27
Posts: 351
Is it me or has this not been mentioned on here yet

[quote=pepipoo]Specialist News Services
Speed camera bosses were caught out by advertising watchdogs after claiming every crash costs taxpayers £100,000 in NHS charges.
A leaflet highlighting the unsubstantiated figure was yesterday/Tues banned by the Advertising Standards Authority because there was no evidence supporting it.
The ruling is an embarrassment for Drivesafe, a speed camera partnership made up of local authorities, the police, health chiefs and others in Greater Manchester.
The leaflet, headlined A Book of Tricks, claimed: “The cost to the NHS for each high-speed collision is about £100,000.
“This money comes from the taxes paid by people like you and your family.”
The ASA upheld a complaint that the figure would be a lot less because the NHS recouped some of the cost of an accident back from insurance companies.
Drivesafe said the claims were backed by the Department of Health’s guide to costs for treatment in Accident & Emergency, Intensive Care Units and out-patient care.
But the ASA ruled out the claims on the grounds of both “substantiation” and “truthfulness” blowing a hole in the speed camera lobby’s arguments.
It said the claims were made in “good faith” but added: “We had not seen evidence to show that £100,000 was a representative average cost to the NHS for all high speed collisions.”
Drivesafe are not allowed to make the claims again without “documentary evidence” and asked to submit future advertising to the industry’s Copy Advice Team before releasing it.
The organisation, based in Greater Manchester, also breached advertising rules in the leaflet by hitting out at “anti-speed camera” websites which took money for advice to those caught by Gatsos and other devices.
But it denigrated genuine websites set up for drivers to exchange information, said the ASA, and these did not encourage drivers to break the law.
It ruled: “The websites www.safespeed.org.uk, www.abd.org.uk and www.pepipoo.com were included on a page under the general heading “trick dealers” with other websites and were grouped under a sub-heading “General anti-safety camera websites”.
“Although...some of those exchanges involved enquiries relating to penalty point and fine avoidance, we noted those sites did not offer to help drivers break the law.
“We considered that, to include those sites under the heading ’trick dealers’ alongside others that encouraged drivers to act illegally was potentially denigratory to those sites.”[/quote]

_________________
Former Military Police Officer and accident investigator


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 00:01 
Offline
User

Joined: Tue Dec 21, 2004 21:19
Posts: 1059
It's in the Clubhouse, was embargoed until 00:01 am today :)


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 00:02 
Offline
Former Police Officer
Former Police Officer
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2004 00:27
Posts: 351
OOps

_________________
Former Military Police Officer and accident investigator


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 00:14 
Offline
Friend of Safe Speed
Friend of Safe Speed
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 09, 2004 23:09
Posts: 6737
Location: Stockport, Cheshire
The full ruling from the ASA is here:

http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/adjudications ... n_id=41428

Quote:
Complaint:

A leaflet, distributed by the Greater Manchester Casualty Reduction Partnership, was headlined "A BOOK OF TRICKS for those who want to get off speeding". One page of the leaflet was headed "TRICK DEALERS"; text stated "Here are some of the websites that offer 'inside info' on how to get off the speeding ticket in exchange for cash. There are others. We closely monitor them all. They will take your hard earned money and say they will assist you - but if you tell lies you will not be able to avoid our charges! ...". Text on the same page under the sub-heading "General anti-safety camera websites" listed the sites "www.safespeed.org.uk www.abd.org.uk www.pepipoo.com". Another page was headed "THE TRUE COST OF SPEEDING" and text stated "The cost to the NHS for each high-speed collision is about £100,000 - this money comes from the taxes paid by people like you and your family ...".

The complainant challenged:

1. whether the inclusion of the websites "www.safespeed.org.uk", "www.abd.org.uk" and "www.pepipoo.com", under the general heading "TRICK DEALERS", was denigratory and

2. the claim, "The cost to the NHS for each high-speed collision is about £100,000", because he believed the figure was less than claimed and because he believed the NHS could recover costs from motor insurers.

Codes Section: 3.1, 7.1, 20.1 (Ed 11)

Adjudication:


Drivesafe said the Book of Tricks formed part of a campaign designed to help and inform members of the public who were going through an enquiry or prosecution process and it was no longer being distributed.

1. Complaint upheld
Drivesafe said there was a distinction between those sites listed under the heading "TRICK DEALERS", where it was suggested some anti-camera websites took payment in exchange for information on how to avoid speeding fines, and those under the heading "General anti-safety camera websites", which included www.safespeed.org.uk, www. abd.org.uk and www.pepipoo.com. They sent a series of submissions onto public forums operated by the websites pepipoo.com and safespeed.org.uk that showed examples of correspondents asking for advice on how to avoid speeding penalties.

The ASA noted the websites www.safespeed.org.uk, www.abd.org.uk and www.pepipoo.com were included on a page under the general heading "TRICK DEALERS" with other websites and were grouped under a sub-heading "General anti-safety camera websites". Although the 'general' websites included forums where contributers could exchange information, and some of those exchanges involved enquiries relating to penalty point and fine avoidance, we noted those sites did not offer to help drivers break the law. We considered that, to include those sites under the heading "TRICK DEALERS" alongside others that encouraged drivers to act illegally was potentially denigratory to those sites. We advised Drivesafe not to imply in future campaigns that information on those sites was illegal if it was not.

On this point, the leaflet breached CAP Code clause 20.1 (Denigration and unfair advantage).

2. Complaint upheld
Drivesafe said the £100,000 figure was based on information supplied by the National Safety Camera Liaison (NSCL) and was sourced from the Department of Health. They also sent information from the most recent annual amendment to the Road Traffic (NHS Charges) Act 1999, which showed the ceiling of charges that could be recovered following an accident was £35,500 when the leaflet was published.

We understood the figure was based on the hypothetical cost of treatment that could arise as a result of Accident & Emergency, Intensive Care Unit and out-patient care costs and the sum total of £100,000 was based on charges listed under those general headings sourced in the Department of Health's Reference Costs 2001 publication. Although we noted Drivesafe had taken the figure in good faith from a leaflet published by the NSCL, we considered that we had not seen evidence to show that £100,000 was a representative average cost to the NHS for all high speed collisions. We advised Drivesafe, if they wished to repeat the approach in future marketing, to ensure that they held documentary evidence showing that they accurately represented costs to the NHS, and encouraged them to seek guidance from the CAP Copy Advice team when preparing future material.

On this point, the leaflet breached CAP Code clauses 3.1 (Substantiation) and 7.1 (Truthfulness).

Yay :D
Well done to those who raised the complaint :clap: :thumbsup: :bounce1:

_________________
"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 05:49 
Offline
Life Member
Life Member
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 30, 2005 22:02
Posts: 3266
It has been roumered thet GM plod have been distancing themselves from drivesafe and this booklet. Which was nothing to do with them, but drive safe. And thier press officer rang up to say so.

so just to clear that up we looked at thier web site....
http://www.drivesafe.org.uk/gmpnews.php ... =2005&Id=4
Quote:
Greater Manchester Police reveal the secrets of avoiding speeding penalties
18th Oct 2005 -

Greater Manchester Police have announced the launch of Operation Cheetah – their ongoing campaign to save the ordinary motorist from turning a simple speeding ticket into a serious criminal offence.

When a vehicle is detected speeding, the registered keeper of the vehicle is sent a Notice of Intended Prosecution (NIP), asking for the details of the vehicle’s driver at the time of the alleged offence. Some motorists try to cheat the system. Cheetah was set-up in response to this growing number of drivers who wrongly believe that lying on this form will get them out of trouble and off the offence they have just committed.

Cheetah is staffed by a group of highly trained officers working within the Central Ticketing Office. Their role it is to investigate any information that appears to be false or fraudulent. In the six months development of the Operation, the officers and staff working on Cheetah have arrested 27 prisoners, all of whom are currently at different stages of judicial process.

A standard speeding ticket is currently £60, with 3 penalty points being endorsed on the driver’s licence. Lying on a NIP is viewed by the Police as perjury, an offence which is punishable by a fine and up to 2 years imprisonment. More complex cheating is deemed to be perverting the course of justice, a much more serious offence which is triable in front of a jury at Crown Court. If found guilty, the punishment could be anything from a substantial fine, to community service or even a lengthy prison sentence.

Head of Operation Cheetah, Chief Inspector Graham Ross says; ‘We are in no way trying to persecute the motorist, but seek to prevent normally law abiding citizens from being drawn into criminality. We are hoping that by making the public aware of Cheetah, we will make these speeding drivers think twice before trying to cheat the system.’

‘We understand that ... etc...

current bun newspaper.com

_________________
Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 07:14 
Offline
Member
Member

Joined: Wed Jan 25, 2006 23:17
Posts: 499
Brilliant.

:drink:


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 6 posts ] 

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You can post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
[ Time : 0.011s | 12 Queries | GZIP : Off ]