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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 39,00.html

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Speed limits may rise 10mph in local road rethink

DIPESH GADHER TRANSPORT CORRESPONDENT

THE government has ordered a review of speed limits on most of Britain’s roads in an attempt to win back the confidence of motorists. The move is likely to result in hundreds of local speed limits being raised on accident-free roads, but lowered to 20mph in more sensitive areas, such as around schools.

In potentially the biggest shake-up of speed limits for a decade, the Department for Transport is to issue new guidelines to local authorities urging them to set threshholds at “appropriate” levels.

Ministers acknowledge that many drivers feel they are being unnecessarily penalised for speeding, and believe it would be fairer for limits to be raised by 10mph on certain 30, 40 and 50mph roads.

However, raising the limit on motorways above the current 70mph has been ruled out. Government research is said to indicate such an increase would lead to more accidents.

“I want all councils to be reviewing all speed limits because nothing brings a speed limit into disrepute more than drivers feeling that it’s entirely inappropriate for the circumstances,” said Stephen Ladyman, the road safety minister.

“An indication that that might be the case . . . is where there are lots of (people being caught) speeding on a particular road and no evidence of any accidents.”

Ladyman said he wanted to “strike a deal” with motorists who have become increasingly sceptical about speed cameras. More than 2m drivers received speeding fines last year compared with 260,000 in 1996.

Many drivers are caught out by speed limits chopping and changing along the same road.

“One of the problems we have with getting motorists to obey speed limits is that they don’t believe that some of the lower speed limits are necessary and they think they were put in place years ago and have never been reviewed,” said Ladyman.

“In order to regain motorists’ confidence, I want to strike a deal with them. I am expecting that this will mean some speed limits will be adjusted downwards, but some will be adjusted upwards.”

Local authorities control 98% of the country’s roads, including B-roads and some A-roads, but not motorways, which come under the remit of the Highways Agency.

It will be down to individual councils to implement any changes to speed limits in consultation with the police. The changes are expected to take place over several years.

More 20mph zones, particularly around schools in residential areas, are likely to be created as a result of the transport department guidelines, which will be issued this autumn.

By contrast, historical speed limits could be raised on “free-flowing” roads where layout has been improved or where traffic conditions have changed over time.

I'll believe it when I see it :roll:

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So yet another proposal to permanently reduce the limit around schools to cater for a 'problem' (that has nothing to do with speed but more to do with parental idiocy) that exists for what? An hour a day max for around 150 days a year?


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That road traffic bill they're trying to get through mentions blanket reducing speed limits on B roads to 40! I can tell these muppets are now treating everyone like they're incapable of setting a safe speed for the conditions. Just because you raise a limit it doesn't necessarily follow that everyone drives faster. Unfortunately due to brain washing about this there are scores of young drivers that drive just like that :x

They'll raise one limit somewhere then some joyrider will crash on it and bingo they'll be ratcheting them down everywhere. :x

If they're going to redo limits then some people that actually drive need to be consulted. 40 mph numpties who are the ones that generally complain about boy racers should be ignored as they're the ones likely to be in the age group that will stick their oar in.

It would be far easier to wind back the clock 20 years. Whatever the limit was, put it back. It was before they started messing around with our roads. It is also high time for a proper education programme so all SC roads outside of built up areas can be made NSL again and all drivers should be given guidance on safe speeds for these sort of roads.


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However, raising the limit on motorways above the current 70mph has been ruled out. Government research is said to indicate such an increase would lead to more accidents.


Disappointed with that comment- the Mway 70mph limit is probably the most inappropriate of them all given the engineering style of the road. Do they just hate us?

Doesn't changing speed the speed limits back up require the recalibration of any GATSO cameras on the road? Calibrated once when limit lowered, and lets piss more tax payers money away by undoing it! :lol:

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So yet another proposal to permanently reduce the limit around schools to cater for a 'problem' (that has nothing to do with speed but more to do with parental idiocy) that exists for what? An hour a day max for around 150 days a year?

There's no need to 'permanently' reduce the speed limit. In a village near me there are signs on the school approaches which switch to 20MPH during school in/out times but show 30MPH at all other times. Seems to work.

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chriskay wrote:
There's no need to 'permanently' reduce the speed limit. In a village near me there are signs on the school approaches which switch to 20MPH during school in/out times but show 30MPH at all other times. Seems to work.

no, there's no NEED to but around this way all the 20mph zones are permanent, and many have humps just to make sure of it.


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I personally am remaining sceptical about this. I don't feel like taking notice until the government proposes to go back to setting speed limits around 85th percentile levels - but then of course there wouldn't be much money raised from speeding fines :roll:

I think one of the other problems though with speed limits, is that all too often just speed limit reductions by themselves are seen as a way of councils solving a problem with high accident rates on a particular stretch of road - and the result is that little to nothing changes.


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“In order to regain motorists’ confidence, I want to strike a deal with them. I am expecting that this will mean some speed limits will be adjusted downwards, but some will be adjusted upwards.”


And theres that word "some" - probably meaning that there will still be a lot of reductions and then any speed limit increases will just be on a couple of roads where scamera pratnerships currently make lots of money.


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I personally am remaining sceptical about this. I don't feel like taking notice until the government proposes to go back to setting speed limits around 85th percentile levels - but then of course there wouldn't be much money raised from speeding fines :roll:

Yes, my reaction was "I'll believe it when I see it."

IMV it is extremely important that speed limits should be set consistently according to national guidelines.

Currently, although there are guidelines, councils can easily impose any kind of nonsense, and often do. Yet, even though thousands of miles of rural main roads are now 50s, 40s and even 30s, the official policy still says they should be 60s, and that is what is brought up in debate.

If there were consistent national principles, then the debate would be about what those standards were, rather than about local situations.

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Hmm - most of Germany's Autobahn incidents are on the milited stretches which are their densest in volume in any case. Accounts for roughtly 6% of Germany' rate and still falling.

As for rurals to be 40 mph - not necessary but would say we have too much chop and change on some of the roads and will agree that the short stretch of the A590 I'm thinking of would be best at at either 60 mph or 40 mph along the entire mile/half stretch instead of the few yards of each as we have at present. :roll: No accidents have occurred here as far as am aware either.

20 mph around schools? Nope - only in term time and up to three hours either side of the school day to cover extra-curricular acitivities - only increased if the school operates an evening class system for adults and the community. Though really they'd be best to discourage the mumpty run and encourage the bus, the legs! :wink: (I'll leave bicycles as kids have to lug too much clutter around - and I still have the dreaded cookery class from my 12 year old - I loathe three cheesy/onion topped baked potatoes which have been cooked three times with a vengeance now! The fourth time I've been put through this ordeal. :lol: )


But won't hold my breath about sensible speed limits being set anyway. Council "offishullz" tend to be brainwashed into pee-cee drivel and none are exactly well blessed in the initaitive and common sense department... :roll:

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