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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 08:09 
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2090-1796718,00.html

Lets have another brainless pop at bikers shall we...... :x

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ANTI-SPEED camera campaigners have branded a new £775,000 “speed trap” on the A77 as a waste of money after ministers admitted that it cannot detect motorbikes.
The Speed Enforcement Camera System (Specs), a series of 40 cameras on the A77, was hailed as an important new weapon in the fight against speeding drivers.



Rather than flashing drivers who are speeding at a fixed point, it monitors the rate of every car over a 20-mile stretch.

However, Cathy Jamieson, the Scottish justice minister, has admitted that the system, installed as part of a £20m safety scheme for the route, can only detect vehicles with front-facing number plates.

Captain Gatso, the anti-speed camera protester, said that the Specs system had been exposed as a white elephant.

“Specs cameras are the most dangerous form of speed camera enforcement, due to the fact that they make people drive along in a funeral cortege merely concentrating on their speedometer and not on the road and the traffic ahead.

“Be under no illusion, this is a cynical money-making scheme by the Scottish executive which doesn’t reduce deaths on the roads. Furthermore, the motorist is discriminated against, while motorcylists get away scot free. People who get tickets on this road should refuse to pay.”

Last year Scotland recorded the highest number of motorcycling deaths since 2000. Motorbikes represent just 1% of all vehicles on Scottish roads, but they account for more than 14% of road accidents.

The biggest increases were in Strathclyde, where fatalities rose by 30%, and Lothian and Borders, which has seen a 100% increase since 2001. In Lothian and Borders there were 268 accidents in 2003. including nine deaths. compared with seven in 2002 and four in 2001. In Strathclyde the number killed has risen by about 30% from 10 to 13 over the past year.

Middle-aged men are dying in unprecedented numbers as they indulge their teenage fantasy of owning a powerful motorbike. Safety experts have warned that many of the baby-boomer bikers are unaware of their slower reaction times and how difficult it can be to control the heavy powerful machines at high speed.

The Specs system was introduced between Bogend Toll, north of Ayr and Ardwell, south of Girvan, following 20 deaths and 95 serious injuries on the stretch between January 2000 and December 2004. But critics also point out that because the new cameras do not measure speed directly, speeding drivers in any type of vehicle can escape being caught if they turn off the road between cameras, turn on to it or stop between them.

“This means that if you inadvertently go through the first one over the limit, all you need to do is slow to below the limit, so your average speed between the two cameras is below the speed threshold. Of course, working this out in your head is somewhat difficult, so drivers overcompensate and can be seen crawling towards the second camera,” said the Association of British Drivers. “On high-speed roads this can create dangerous situations.”

Andrew Wilkie, a spokesman for the Scottish Safety Camera Campaign, insisted that the new cameras were effective. “There are a whole list of problems on the A77, of which speeding is one,” he said.

“Spec cameras are there to tackle the majority of motorists. We knew it would only tackle facing number plates, but that is a large proportion of vehicles.”

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Take a look at the A77 Safety Group web site where there is a Forum. Maybe we should register and all post on there to rebutt the cash-camera claims they are making.


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There's no point. No-one officially involved posts on the forums and questions asked there remain unanswered.

All the posters are anti-camera already anyway :D

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MrsMiggins wrote:
There's no point. No-one officially involved posts on the forums and questions asked there remain unanswered.

All the posters are anti-camera already anyway :D


So they set up a forum to discuss safety on the A77, then don't post on it themselves :roll:
Did they think that they would get an overwelming flood of posters supporting the cash cameras.
They must be as deluded as Callaghan and his lickspittles.
What's their forum intended to do, then?


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MrsMiggins wrote:
All the posters are anti-camera already anyway :D


Looks like someone wants to try and redress the 'balance'.

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On this point alone..

Captain Twatso with a major bottom lip wobble wrote:
Furthermore, the motorist is discriminated against, while motorcylists get away scot free.


Oh boo-friggin-hoo you're breaking my heart. :roll:


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Rigpig wrote:
On this point alone..

Captain Twatso with a major bottom lip wobble wrote:
Furthermore, the motorist is discriminated against, while motorcylists get away scot free.


Oh boo-friggin-hoo you're breaking my heart. :roll:


As he's so against speed cameras, you’d think he’d be happy that some people (bikers) are getting away scot free.

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Just had a browse on the A77 web site and noted that one 'Kevin Tea' has registered.
Now not all the posters will be anti-camera, but one might wonder whether that registration will be used by Speedfinder-General Callaghan to post on there without using his own name.
Maybe we should all register there to combat his possible 'bending' of reality into 'The World According to Callaghan'.


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Gizmo wrote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2090-1796718,00.html

Lets have another brainless pop at bikers shall we...... :x

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Furthermore, the motorist is discriminated against, while motorcylists get away scot free. People who get tickets on this road should refuse to pay.”



What a bloody shame, He did it mummy, tell him off not me, get a life. :gatso2:


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