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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 00:06 
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Two interesting letters headed the "Bolton Evening"'s letters page tonight.

reader from Radcliffe wrote:



HOW LONG UNTIL CURE FOR ROAD DEATHS

Because of flaws found in laser speed guns, thousnads of motorists have been wrongly fined for speeding.

If technology is so unreliable to the point where innorcent people are being wrongly penalised, fined £60 or due to totting up of points, losing licences, then it has to be rectified as soon as possible.

But let's not lose sight of the reason for these laser speed guns: per those using them they are designed to save lives and not make money :roll: .

So although many motorists may have been wrongly fined, a thousand times that number have been wrongly killed or injured because all drivers are so unreliable and wantonly unruly :roll:

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So if it is right and necessary to rectify the fault in the laser gun, then it's even more right to rectify the fault that makes these guns so essential in the police's crime fighting weaponry.

As a wealthy and civilised nation, we are totally committed to finding cures for nature's killers, but by comparison next to nothing is done to combat man the killer in his steel machine and the suicidal pedestrian with no road sense.

Death from motor vehicles was all to apparent long before death from cancer ever was. :? :shock: :roll: . But because of commitment and compassion - many cancers are no longer life threatening.


Hmm... compassion? Nah! I just like looking a pretty lurgies meself - tis a surreal and interesting and almost mesmerising experience. :wink:

reader from Radcliffe again wrote:

But with medical research - when we continue with funding and research we actually see a result and some cures for cancer. But with this ridiculous attitude towards speed enforcement we will never find a cure for death on our roads. We should be teaching more observation, hazard perception and road sense and not focusing only on speed.


Methinks a lurker on here :wink: I thought I was gonna see C O A S T there towards the end :wink:

There is another silly :roll: letter in reply to another which attributed road accidents to poor driving skills rather than speed.

somewhat deluded reader who swalllows all from T2K from Bolton but may be hope somewhere from the opening line wrote:

DRIVING SLOWER SAVES LIVES :? :? :roll:

Mr G made some rather good points in his letter last week, but I really think he places a bit too much emphasis on bad driving.


Meaning that Mr G who wrote that good observation and anticipation skills and a fair grasp of road sense by all road users could cut deaths :wink: was right really :wink: but I will concede this guy has a point in this sentence :roll:

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Too few drivers consider themselves to be bad drivers and thus think it OK to speed, use hands held phones and tailgate.


Hmmm! :scratchchin: Mr T of Bolton should read this site and PH. We loathe tailgaters with a vengeance only surpassed by a dislike of PC Concealed Talivan and persons, who according to my dear wife, have been sub-marinated in a government slime gunk which sucks out personality and common sense :lol:

She has such a way with words :lol: :lol: :lol:

A fair number petrolheads are not that keen on hand held mobile phone users either and will advocate the hands free version and even then warn that this should not interfere with one's sheer enjoyment of a drive.

We also try to get across a message that a truly good driver evaluates his driving and is always prepared to learn in the hope that we can help change an attitude - and most and all on this site and PH will agree that complacency in drivers, bikers and cyclists should be discouraged and frowned on in tone of posts.

Mr T of Bolton again wrote:

Cars can be lethal weapons


:yesyes: In the hands of a complacent driver, car thief, complete numpty, tired driver, drugged driver, drunk driver, driver of a defective vehicles or one in poor health and strokes can affect any age group by the way....that type is true accident and we just hope on that one. :cry:

And in the hands of any person who derides the idea of C O A S T :roll:

Mr T of Bolton again and here he is swallowing the prat garbage wrote:

Ten people per day are killed throuhg speeding drivers and speed is the major factor in most crashes


Well... this is a large family. All on here know what happened. Two incidents within months. One due to a person driving a defective lorry who collided at a low speed and killed on impact and the other due to a person suffering illness at the wheel of his car and colliding with my wife's car. As we know the wildest feline of all survived this :lol: :lol: but I will admit - we had some worrying moments throughout the recovery. :(


Mr T of Bolton again swallowing T2K nonsense wrote:

The chance of surviving afeter being hit by a car at 40 mph is 10% and 90% at 20 mph


Ferdl was actually hit by the lorry at 17-20 mph. OK - a large vehicle but this was tea time rush hour and he was in slow moving traffic on his side of the carriageway as well. He died on impact. I also know of kids hit at 5mph in driveways when parent forgot to check if vehicle was in neutral or the handbrake slipped. It depends on health of person and point of impact and the weight of vehicle and person.

Mr T of Bolton wrote:

A drop of average speed of just one mile per hour would reduce injuries by 5% and deaths by7% per the Dept of Transport


Again - depends on health and age of victim and point of impact. In reality and I have treated these in my past as I made my way up the ladder - 29 mph hit is not much different than a 31 mph hit. If driver uses COAST principles - he has slowed to most approriate speed on spotting the hazard and planning his action - which is usually a slow to below prescribed limit anyway.l :wink: Hence why we argue COAST :wink:

Mr T of Bolton wrote:

We have seen the effects of lowered limits on St Peter's Way and Moss Bank Way


Hmmm! I completed my clinicals and qualifying year in Manchester and Boton hospitals. I remember St Peter's Way as being 70 mph and the only accidents which arrived in A&E were suicides jumping from a bridge at Raikes Lane onto St Peter's. The other accident I know of was that concerning the hit and run which killed the 9 year old at the lights approaching the mout of St peter's Way. This is in the 40 mph stretch and was at the traffic lights. :roll:

As for Moss Bank Way... Was a 50 mph in the dual carriageway as I recall and the only casualties I recall was in the single carriagewya where this ring road meets a council housing estate and it was always 30 mph there as I recall from my junior period in that area.

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Mad Moggie wrote:
As for Moss Bank Way... Was a 50 mph in the dual carriageway as I recall and the only casualties I recall was in the single carriagewya where this ring road meets a council housing estate and it was always 30 mph there as I recall from my junior period in that area.

I don't think Moss Bank Way has ever been more than a 40. A substantial section has now been reduced to 30 mph, and even more "one-laned", i.e. made a dual carriageway with only one lane each way :x

When I was last along there a few months ago, virtually all the 4-lane single-carriageway Crompton Way (the A58 ring road further east) was still a 40, though. Long may it continue :twisted:

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Ah.. I was sure it was a 50 mph. Perhaps not - it's a long time ago :roll:

I think it was always 30 mph at that roundabout at Chorley Old Road and you continue to the Chorley New Road and Beaumont Road....? It's a long time ... well over 22 years now :wink: Know I heard of draconian speed traps two years ago from my sister and one of her pals.....

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Mr G replies to Mr T in Friday's Letters section of the BEN :lol:

Mr G wrote:

I am grateful to Mr T for acknowledging that I made good pointss in my earlier letter.

In return I acknowledge his point about speed and survivability as clearly the lower the speed the lesseer chance of serious injury.

However, I do not accept that I place too much emphasis on bad driving.

Of course, no one wants to admit to being a poor driver, but inappropriate speed which unsafe for the situation is a symptom of bad driving. One should always drive at a manner and speed appropriate to traffic conditions and realise that the speed limit is not a target speed. Too many do not seem to know this and will drive, risking life and limb at 29 mph in a busy area when 20 mph would be more appropriate to the condition. Speed cameras are useless in this scenario but education and/ or a traffic policeman would be

Mr T seems to give the message that we should all drive at 20 mph everywhere. Well - in certain locations yes, but hardly appropriate for all roads.

I repeat - bad driving causes accidents and a poor choice of speed is poor driving.

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Mad Moggie wrote:
Mr T of Bolton again and here he is swallowing the prat garbage wrote:

Ten people per day are killed throuhg speeding drivers and speed is the major factor in most crashes

10 people per day... <starts counting on fingers> ...so that's 3650 or so a year then. :wink: There was me thinking that pissheads, stoned drivers, car thieves, road rage types, idiots who don't look where they're going, muppets with defective vehicles, Mr Magoo types, and other assorted nuisances and oxygen thieves are responsible for a significant number of road deaths, but all this time it's really just been speeding. :roll: That's me told.

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