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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:42 
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Expert urges car speed limiters

One of the country's foremost transport experts has called for speed limiters to be put in cars to cut road deaths and carbon dioxide emissions.

Professor David Begg also accused governments of failing to tackle climate change because it was too politically sensitive an issue.

He told the Scottish Green Party's annual conference that if motorway speed limits were rigorously enforced, carbon emissions will be cut by 10% and road deaths by 40%.

Prof Begg, a former government transport adviser, said the technology for vehicle speed limiters was already there.

He dismissed those who would claim such a move was an attack on civil liberties.

He told the conference in Dundee: "I tell you what side of that debate I'm going to be on.

"I'm going to be on the same side of the debate as all those parents who've lost innocent children on the roads because cars exceed the speed limit."

On enforcing the speed limit he added: "If I was a minister my message to people who are fed up paying fines because they are caught by a speed camera would be - stop speeding."

Prof Begg, who praised the Greens for their "honesty and integrity" warned that carbon dioxide reductions in areas such as industry would be wiped out by the growth in transport carbon emissions.

He said there had been a total lack of action on climate change.

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Enforcing the motorway speed limit would reduce deaths by 40%? That's an even wilder claim than the usual DFT 1/3 claim about speeding ... what has Begg been smoking this time?


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if motorway speed limits were rigorously enforced, carbon emissions will be cut by 10% and road deaths by 40%.


Wow, also if we stop speeding there will be an end to poverty, people will be 54.647% happier, we will 67.9% more likley to find a cure for HIV/AIDS. :)

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if motorway speed limits were rigorously enforced, carbon emissions will be cut by 10% and road deaths by 40%.


That's rich. I can't believe that 40% of deaths occur on the motorway. Perhaps Begg has the services of Harry Potter.


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Begg is an old school loonie lefty, pure and simple.


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He told the Scottish Green Party's annual conference that if motorway speed limits were rigorously enforced, carbon emissions will be cut by 10% and road deaths by 40%.


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In Britain, motorways account for a fifth of road traffic. In 2003, 184 people died on motorways compared with 1,890 on rural roads.


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Expert urges car speed limiters

One of the country's foremost transport experts......Professor David Begg


What a nonsence, the guy is a wanker plain and simple. It has been ages since he was in the press....so thought he should say something stupid again.

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If I am not mistaken he loathes cars and is a green numpty. Someone should dig up accident statistics on bicycle accidents and running red lights.


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Begg is an old school loonie lefty, pure and simple.


More interesting are Mr Begg's academic credentials which qualify him as a Professor.

When compared, for example, to the intellectual ability of the Professor who was my postgrad supervisor (multiple degrees through research, fluent in several languages etc), Begg is an academic non-entity.

Nevertheless "Professor" Begg does make an ideal intellectual role model for today's "dumbed-down" society. Image


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He told the Scottish Green Party's annual conference that if motorway speed limits were rigorously enforced, carbon emissions will be cut by 10% and road deaths by 40%.

Prof Begg, a former government transport adviser, said the technology for vehicle speed limiters was already there.

He dismissed those who would claim such a move was an attack on civil liberties.


:roll:

So how abouyt the diesels which run on vegetable oil or the hydro-car currently being developed? They are pretty "nippy" :wink: per the car magazines

By the way =- he's in cloud cuckoo land if he thinks road deaths will reduce like magic. Where there are people - there's error and accident. In fact, if you were to believe the stas banded about in national "bash your local doctor week" - it seems we kill more people than drivers do! :roll: According to the press we infect all our customers with dreadful diseases (not in my hospitals - I'm :oops: :oops: :oops: the bloke in charge of the lurgies and I zap 'em! grrrrrr! The insult in the national press all week :cry: :banghead: .....) or we leave surgical instruments inside our customers or we ignore them totally or.... you name it - we got hammered for it last week! Happy to say the scammers also received and so the the :bib: so that makes me feel a lot better! :lol: 8-)

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He told the conference in Dundee: "I tell you what side of that debate I'm going to be on.

"I'm going to be on the same side of the debate as all those parents who've lost innocent children on the roads because cars exceed the speed limit."


Um - less accidents occur on motorways and kids should not be walking on them anyway :? But in any case, I do not allow my kids to run around roadways until I am sure they understand the Green Cross and know how to look after their own safety - and if they are slow at learning - then my responsibility to supervise until satisfied of their safety. Each child is different and as parent you have to know and assess ability and maturity as constant - and I accept it is not easy with wilful kids.

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On enforcing the speed limit he added: "If I was a minister my message to people who are fed up paying fines because they are caught by a speed camera would be - stop speeding."


I am a dedicated doctor and politics does not appeal. However, if I were a minister or employed in an advisory capacity I would be insisting on looking at the whole picture - and this means ensuring a comprehensive safety led attitude to both riding and driving - COAST! :wink:

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Prof Begg, who praised the Greens for their "honesty and integrity" warned that carbon dioxide reductions in areas such as industry would be wiped out by the growth in transport carbon emissions


Total rubbish. Has this bloke any idea of industrial processes? Perhaps we had better cull all cattle as well as methane emissions from these alone make a big hole in the ozone layer.

But I have a better idea.... :idea: As doctor I know exactly how gastric acids interact with lentils and beans.

Simple - let's ban lentils and all beans! :twisted: :twisted: :wink: :wink: :twisted:

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Expert urges car speed limiters

One of the country's foremost transport experts......Professor David Begg

What a nonsence, the guy is a wanker plain and simple.

I was just about to post something similar but see you have beaten me to it :twisted:

Transport expert my @rse :o

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PROFESSOR DAVID BEGG

Professor David Begg is Chairman of the Commission for Integrated Transport. He is also Director of the Centre for Transport Policy at the Robert Gordon University, Aberdeen, and he has recently been appointed as the Chairman of the National Transport Advisory Group.


David is a Non-Executive Director for the Shadow Strategic Rail Authority, Transport for London and British Railways Board. He also advised the Government during the preparation of the Integrated Transport White Paper.


From 1994 to 1999, he was Convenor of the Transportation Committee on the City of Edinburgh Council and Transport Spokesperson for the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities.


His hobbies include golf, running and supporting Hibernian Football Club.



source....http://www.staffs.ac.uk/schools/sciences/geography/cast/confarchive/walkhealth4/proceedings.html

I hope he takes the bus to the golf club..... :lol:

And here he is again...http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/abt_members.asp
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http://www.cfit.gov.uk/4annual/

Quote of the day...""Four-by-four vehicles are simply not designed for driving in urban areas and to do so is irresponsible."
Professor David Begg - Chairman of the Commission for Integrated Transport"

So a big slap on the wrist for anyone who drives an Audi Quattro then.

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I was just about to post something similar but see you have beaten me to it :twisted:

Transport expert my @rse :o


"Transport expert" seems to be the trendy way of saying someone hates cars. :(


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He told the Scottish Green Party's annual conference that if motorway speed limits were rigorously enforced, carbon emissions will be cut by 10% and road deaths by 40%.


So let me get this right, even the Scamerati have admitted that the 33% rule had no basis in fact. So this guy states 40%, gives no evidence whatever to back it up and then expects to retain some sort of credibility as an "expert"?. How stupid does he think the public really are?

Also, if speed limiters were to be implemented on all cars, congestion would inevitably ensue because of longer overtaking manouvers and traffic "stacking up" behind the temporary blockage in the motorway. Congestion results in MORE Carbon Dioxide being put into the atmosphere.

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He dismissed those who would claim such a move was an attack on civil liberties.


Who ever said the implementation of speed limiters was a civil liberties issue?

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He told the conference in Dundee: "I tell you what side of that debate I'm going to be on.

"I'm going to be on the same side of the debate as all those parents who've lost innocent children on the roads because cars exceed the speed limit."


Oh, he's doing it for the ickle wickle kiddies. That's OK then. Sheesh!! He really does think we're stupid.

Of course, I see children running about on Motorways all the time....

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Lets not get carried away....it was "Scottish Green Party's annual conference"

Not exactly headline news. He was in telly tubby land when he said it. Probably looking for reaserch funding to provide them with bullshit statisitics.

The solution to Co2 (if you consider it a problem) is hydrogen and biofuel. But I don't see them talking about that. Thats because it does not reduce car useage and lets face it....thats the real agenda. After all he has a vested interest in public transport.

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Begg also amused activists, describing those who criticise Green supporters as “sexually inadequate”. “It’s a male thing,” he said. “You’ve got to have a lot of horsepower. A big car means virility, that’s the way these guys look at it. If you have a bicycle and if you’re green you sometimes start to question your sexual adequacy.

http://www.sundayherald.com/52739
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Begg also amused activists, describing those who criticise Green supporters as “sexually inadequate”. “It’s a male thing,” he said. “You’ve got to have a lot of horsepower. A big car means virility, that’s the way these guys look at it. If you have a bicycle and if you’re green you sometimes start to question your sexual adequacy.


That's a VERY out of date stereotype. Maybe he's just speaking from sore personal experience, in which case, Mr Begg, allow me to enlighten you - women don't shun you because you ride a bicycle; they shun you because you're a Class 1, Grade A, Triple Platinum dickhead. :evil:

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Begg also amused activists, describing those who criticise Green supporters as “sexually inadequate”. “It’s a male thing,” he said. “You’ve got to have a lot of horsepower. A big car means virility, that’s the way these guys look at it. If you have a bicycle and if you’re green you sometimes start to question your sexual adequacy.


That's a VERY out of date stereotype. Maybe he's just speaking from sore personal experience, in which case, Mr Begg, allow me to enlighten you - women don't shun you because you ride a bicycle; they shun you because you're a Class 1, Grade A, Triple Platinum dickhead. :evil:


Perhaps also because of the unfortunate side effects of all those beans and lentils on the digestion. Best not to smoke in the vicinity in case they ignite. :twisted:

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OK, let's imagine this concept in action for a moment.....it's worse than it sounds.

Every vehicle will have a limiter at exactly 70mph top speed. Electronically calibrated blah blah blah. This will mean that EVERY man, woman & chav will plant their foot to achieve the new 'safe' 70, convinced that they are 'safe' as they cannot in ANY way speed on these killer roads. Legally absolved of any responsibility for maintaining an appropriate speed, now we have 100's of thousands of vehicles stuck at exactly 70, or just under.....gradual bunching, forced tail gating & overtaking frustration will abound. Deaths caused by side-swiping? (can't ram anymore!)
Think about a 2 mph speed differential between cars - you creep up behind, gaining at 2 mph for several miles, go to move out and oh, no. He's begins an overtaking manouver on someone with 0.5 mph differential....you're screwed for the next 4 miles....

Bet Tony'll think it's a GREAT idea, whoo hoo, charge the motorist to fit it & make tampering or removal a custodial offence. Better yet, propagate the idea that only terrorists drive cars without limiters & adopt a shoot to kill policy.......I dispair, really I do.


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