SafeSpeed wrote:
Jub Jub wrote:
You wouldn't know this though would you Smeg? Anything below 40 and you're asleep, according to you
I've suspended Jub Jub for that, pending further consideration.
Thank you. I genuinely take offence to that as I have never said anything of the sort (there’s a difference between fatigue and asleep); he keeps repeating the same lies even though I have corrected him on that (among others) several times.
Parrot of Doom wrote:
To be fair he wasn't really inventing anything there Paul. Smeggy did say that driving slowly on the motorway made him deeply tired, whereas speeding up made him wake up.
errr no.
Jub Jub is a lying manipulating troll (although he is more subtle than most) - do not fall for what he says (he said ‘asleep’). The lack of response to my simple
challenge, when he has made several posts elsewhere afterwards, reveals his true colours.
I actually said the limit was limit for a particular set of extended roadworks at a particular time was low beyond the point of overall minimal risk (which was my argument from the start). Otherwise I can drive at below 40 just fine, thank you very much!
Edit (additional):
For the trolls who insist on conveniently forgetting what I originally said:
The road in question was the M1 between Milton Keynes and the M25. At the time it had roadworks covering the length of 3 junctions and was subjected to a SPECS enforced limit of 40mph. The distance between the junctions on the stretch of road works in question were quite long, (about 5 miles, some longer, measured using Google maps). Once starting on a section there is no way to pull off: there wasn’t a refuge or emergency lane – it was impossible to stop without causing unacceptable danger (it is of course good practice to take a break when concentration is impaired in such a way, but in this case it was not possible to do so; some trolls have interpreted my forced inability to stop as "it is unacceptable to stop, even if I could", which could not be further from the truth). The incident happened during the small hours. There was no illumination (no active road-works, hence no work men) and no other vehicles were nearby. I had started the journey at Milton Keynes (after a 10 hour break for a concert) and had entered the roadworks about 30 minutes after setting off, hence there was no reasonable need for a planned break.
As I had never before suffered from driving fatigue, there was no reasonable way for me to anticipate an onset of it, nor could I have acted against it; the trolls never accepted this yet never gave an explanation why they didn’t yet they take obvious glee in attempting to bring it up again. Obviously, fatigue gets worst as time progresses due to the nature of its onset (it is not an instant occurrence); the fatigue wasn’t an issue until the approaching end of the roadworks, well past the prior junction. These two together means I was forced into being fatigued.
The fatigue abated upon leaving the reduced speed limit; I then drove non-stop all the way to Portsmouth without issue.
I had concluded that that particular motorway limit, at that time of night, for that length of time (likely more then 18 minutes due to likely speedo overread [11.5 miles at less than 40mph]), was unreasonably low. Having a slightly higher limit of say 50mph would have slowed the rate of onset of fatigue (more stimulation) and would have reduced the time of exposure to fatigue; hence I would have exited the roadworks before any noticeable onset of fatigue.
Unfortunately, one troll has deliberately misinterpreted my solution of a slightly higher limit as “severe fatigue can be safely countered by flooring the accelerator”, claiming that I had said those exact words when in fact I have never said anything of the sort (well it IS a daft thing to say - why need I claim such a thing when I've already said the limit was too low?). The trolls also deliberately misinterpreted this as an inability to drive at 40mph without “falling asleep”. Aside from that one instance, I have never happened across a 40 limit which is as remotely as unstimulating for so long. Indeed soon afterwards the limit on that stretch was increased to 50mph.
Furthermore, these trolls refused to accept that the fatigue I experienced was common and attempted to convince me that I suffered from a rare medical condition; they had initially insisted it was a result of my own physiology (such as sleep apnoea), yet now they claim it was I who had said that. In fact I had referenced a key DfT document (Sleep-Related Crashes on Sections of Different Road Types in the UK) proving that driving fatigue is a contributory factor in about 15-20% of all motorway crashes, with about half of all motorway collisions occurring between 10pm and 4am being fatigue related; this clear evidence was dismissed by them without explanation despite my prompting.
I repeated the exactly the same statements on a forum where posters frequent motorways more than most (as opposed to being banned from using them - the trolls usually inhabit cycling forums); the response was completely opposite. That thread with the original statements used at the time (without subsequent edits) can be found here (the question posed was deliberately identical to that given to the trolls).
One of the trolls in question claims he was banned from the safespeed forums (formerly jubjub) simply because he expressed dissent. In fact, he was banned based on his repeated use of false and offensive statements such as “Anything below 40 and you're asleep, according to you”. Although initially confirming jubjub’s statement, another poster in this thread has since had his own (sincere) misinterpretation corrected (within the original part of this post, above).
Please note: the challenge I gave above (within the original part of this post) has never been attempted (even though at the time various search engines were available to make the task very easy), yet the challenger has claimed victory. See this for the telling lack of response to how to easily complete the challenge, then this for my reattempt:
me wrote:
me wrote:
Mister Paul wrote:
Poor, poor try Smeggy. You're hangin on the fact that C+ doesn't archive threads for long.
If so then Google it!
Funny how you can't come up with an answer to that huh? Not only can you somehow not find any reference to such a statement via any of the 3 big search engines (even though I have offered to make it worth your while) you can't even find a post from another member quoting what I had said, you would have thought that at someone else (including yourself - after all this was your interpretation of me summed up in the 1 sentence) would have quoted such a ridiculous comment. Yes it is ridiculous claim to make: 'severe fatigue can be safely countered by flooring the accelerator' is a daft claim to make - which is why I never said it.
Note how yet again it is followed by a total lack of acknowledgement even though he continued to address every part of every other post within that thread!
The challenge still stands and I will still honour it!
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