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NEW SPEED CAMERAS TO ZAP ANOTHER 2M DRIVERS

By Gabriel Milland

NEW digital speed cameras are set to double the number of drivers caught to four million a year.

The latest devices have a huge capacity to store images, which means every motorist snapped speeding will face a £60 fine and three penalty points on their licence.

Current cameras need to have their film replaced after taking around 200 pictures.

This means that many drivers who are flashed by the cameras escape being caught because their image has not actually been caught on film.

But the £10,000 digital Gatsos have a virtually unlimited capacity.

Experts believe the new equipment could double the number of motorists getting caught from the current two million a year.

That would raise the Treasury’s income from the cameras by £120million a year.

The new cameras will also be able to send pictures wirelessly to the authorities – as well as bringing with them number-plate recognition technology which can alert the police if a suspect vehicle passes.

They can monitor up to four lanes of traffic simultaneously.

Around 1,000 of the new digital cameras have already been deployed. Others are expected to gradually replace the 4,000 ordinary Gatsos still in place.

Edmund King, director of the RAC Foundation, said: “There’s no doubt that some motorists play Russian roulette with cameras, taking a chance that they’ve run out of film. That will obviously change if they go digital.” Since last month, money raised through fines has gone straight to the Treasury rather than to local councils and police forces who install the cameras and decide their positioning.

The switch was supposed to show that local officials were not just installing the cameras to boost their own budgets.

Paul Smith, founder of drivers’ pressure group SafeSpeed, offered motorists some comfort.

He said the high cost of the new cameras – and the fact money wouldn’t flow back to councils and police forces from extra fines – would make many local authorities reluctant to upgrade cameras.

He said: “I urge police and local authorities not to waste important road safety funding on this final phase.”

Meanwhile so many otherwise law-abiding motorists are getting caught by speed cameras that some insurance companies have said they will no longer automatically raise insurance ­premiums for drivers with a handful of penalty points.

Neil Ackinclose, of insurance brokers Swinton Specialist, said: “A few years ago insurers might have assumed a motorist with six or more points was a reckless driver, but that is no longer necessarily the case. Insurance providers are accepting that points alone can no longer be used as a yardstick for driver evaluation.”

Motoring groups point out that speed cameras do nothing to stop drunk drivers and little to help catch uninsured, untaxed or unroadworthy cars. A rise in drivers caught speeding – adding points to their licences – would also lead to more disqualifications and a possible rise in uninsured drivers if motorists ignore bans, they say.

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1,000 deployed? I don't think so! As I understand it they are still awaiting type approval.

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I assume they are talking about RedSpeed devices?

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Ziltro wrote:
I assume they are talking about RedSpeed devices?

That would make sense, especially as those are already approved.

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smeggy wrote:
Ziltro wrote:
I assume they are talking about RedSpeed devices?

That would make sense, especially as those are already approved.


i heard somewhere that Gatso and Truvelo are going through the type approval process for digital

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Current cameras need to have their film replaced after taking around 200 pictures.


so if anyone sees a the film being replaced in a gatso, drive through 100 times :lol: :lol: , without a number plate of course, i would have thought that a film could hold more than 200 photos


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toonbarmy wrote:
smeggy wrote:
Ziltro wrote:
I assume they are talking about RedSpeed devices?

That would make sense, especially as those are already approved.


i heard somewhere that Gatso and Truvelo are going through the type approval process for digital

Possibly, but there aren't 1000 already installed. Unless they are confusing all kinds speed camera which uses a digital camera. That would include SPECS and RedSpeed ones.

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Current cameras need to have their film replaced after taking around 200 pictures.


so if anyone sees a the film being replaced in a gatso, drive through 100 times :lol: :lol: , without a number plate of course, i would have thought that a film could hold more than 200 photos

Actually I didn't notice that... It's nonsense. Gatsos and Truvelos use 800 exposure film. Gatsos can capture 400 offences because they take two shots per offence.

Using a digital camera in a Gatso won't make the radar reading any more accurate.

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NEW digital Gatso cameras that nab speeding drivers EVERY TIME are set to be installed on our roads.

The move is expected to double the number of speeding tickets issued to four million a year — and rake in an extra £120million in fines.

The devices will snap motorists who often escape detection because a traditional camera has run out of film after 200 snaps — but continues to “flash”.

The new cameras, by Dutch firm Gatsometer, snap thousands of high-quality images and can monitor speeds in four lanes at once.

They are also fitted with automatic number-plate recognition gear which alerts cops when a wanted car passes.

Police plan to replace around 4,000 Gatsos with the new machines.

Edmund King, director of the RAC Foundation, said the switch would send prosecutions and instances of £60 fines to a new peak.


He said: “There’s no doubt that some motorists play Russian roulette with cameras, taking a chance that they will have run out of film.

“At the moment, only about one camera in five is digital. Things will obviously change if they all go that way.”

The digital system slots into the existing Gatsos casework. It will cost councils £10,000 to upgrade each camera, but they will save money in charges for fitting film.

Town hall chiefs will press ahead with installing the new gear once plans are approved by the Home Office.

Gatsometer told Auto Express magazine this week that ministers will give their approval “any day now”.




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anton wrote:
The new cameras, by Dutch firm Gatsometer

Well that shuts me up!

Are these type approved for evidence capture?


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Link to Sun story

New cameras to rake in £120m

By DAVID WOODING, Whitehall Editor, May 21, 2007

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2007230308,00.html


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My gosh do they deliberately try to confuse people? If 1000 digital camera based devices are already deployed they aren't made by Gatsometer BV.
The Sun article has a photo of a RedSpeed housing.
Apparently the digital camera version of the Gatso innards is going to get type approval? Doesn't surprise me. I suppose it automates the process more. 400 offences (800 for Truvelo Combi SMc) plus 14 days to get the film processed and NIP served, probably lots of cameras don't fill up the film. Digital camera plus cable to transfer files to central office means NIPs at the end of each day, all automated. (OCR numberplate + link to PNC or DVLA database.)

And is there really "no doubt that some motorists play Russian roulette with cameras"? Or do they (we) slow down for every camera just in case? I most certainly wouldn't risk it.

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ImageIt's a TRUVELO!

Here it is in all its glory:

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Looks to me like this bugger uses a real IR flash!

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Very apt the way the angle of the shot shows it blending in nicely with the garage forecourt in the background!


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smeggy wrote:
Looks to me like this bugger uses a real IR flash!


Yeah, it would otherwise be white, which is unlikely for a forward facing camera. I can see a market for "bugger I've been flashed" detectors now!


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Still not immune to spray paint though.

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I can see a market for "bugger I've been flashed" detectors now!


I'll bring the NVGs!


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Looks good for hanging a flaming rubber necklace on it.


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Dr L wrote:
Looks good for hanging a flaming rubber necklace on it.

Whatever could you mean? .......

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