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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 15:57 
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by Matt Withers, Wales On Sunday


MORE than half of all known cases of cops prosecuted for speeding last year were from North Wales Police – despite chief Richard Brunstrom’s crusade against the crime.

Of the 31 police officers given tickets for either exceeding the speed limit or running a red light, 16 were with the controversial copper’s force.

It comes despite Brunstrom – famously dubbed the ‘Mad Mullah of the Traffic Taliban’ – being behind a long-running campaign to stamp out speeding.

One anti-speed camera campaigner said it showed the flaws of the system.

But a spokeswoman for North Wales Police said: “Everyone is treated the same regardless of their employer “North Wales Police also enforces the lowest speeding threshold among Welsh forces, which may be the reason.

“Our threshold is 10 per cent plus two (miles per hour) whereas other forces are higher.”

Paul Smith of anti-speed camera group SafeSpeed said: “It is tragic we have got a road safety policy which can’t distinguish between safe and dangerous driving.


“There’s no reason to believe these officers were driving dangerously but yet we’ve expended public money prosecuting them at no benefit.


“And the public is suffering in exactly the same way.”


Mr Brunstrom was a “pariah” among motorists, he added, “and that’s putting it kindly”.


In the week that a Dyfed Powys Police officer, Detective Constable Ashley Brice, was banned from driving after an accident that led to the death of another motorist, it emerged only a third of police officers caught speeding were being prosecuted.


Det Con Brice, 33, was at the wheel of an unmarked police Ford Mondeo which collided head on with a car being driven by Gareth James, 43, in Powys.


But the figures from Wales’ four police forces show that of least 95 officers triggering roadside cameras in 2006, only 31 resulted in a ticket.


The statistics, released under the Freedom of Information Act, are difficult to compare because only two forces provided full figures – of 20 cops from South Wales Police caught by camera four were prosecuted and three cases are still ongoing, while 11 from 45 were prosecuted in Gwent.


Sheila Rainger, head of campaigns for the RAC Foundation, said there should be a full investigation each time an officer is caught apparently breaking traffic laws.


She said: “If the people are on their way somewhere they are needed we would expect them to make an effort to get there on time, even if that means safely going through a red light. But there’s a grey area where they are on duty but perhaps they are not going on a call.


“There should be an investigation into every one of these incidents and if it becomes necessary to prosecute them it should be done, because police are there to set an example.”


In North Wales there are only prosecution figures for speeding, no figures are held for officers who are caught speeding but are not prosecuted.


Inspector Essi Ahari, who heads up North Wales’ anti-speeding Arrive Alive campaign said tickets were sent to the Chief Constable Richard Brunstrom as the registered keeper of the vehicle and the driver would then be tracked down.


He said: “You can quickly say if the officer was attending a 999 call. If the officer can’t prove he was on a 999 call points or a fine will follow. There’s no way you can justify speeding.


“If it isn’t an emergency, basically you haven’t got a leg to stand on.”


Thirty cops were caught speeding or running a red light in Dyfed-Powys in 2006, but the force said it did not hold figures for how many were prosecuted.


A spokeswoman said: “Each case is considered. If they’re on a 999 call then it’s looked at to see if it was the right thing to do.


“Otherwise, if they’ve done 45mph in a 30 zone, for example, they are prosecuted just like anyone else. Depending on each case a decision is made as to whether it should also be considered as misconduct.”


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 18:40 
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The lovely man above who says he sends tickets to the Chief constable to locate officers - is this not mad... for anyone its a mad concept - to a police man or woman this must be a mighty kick in the teeth.

We are currently in a country where in real terms we've lost police cover at times we really need them - and this numpty is advocating pointing and fining officers for what should be regarded as trivial violations for all of us.

ie 35 in a 30 - easily done when your looking for perps and not looking at your patrol cars "speedo".

What utter nonsense to state the officer has to be on a 999 to qualify for a "let off"...

If he had any idea of what real policing involves - then he needs to go back to school or sit with frontline cops as they do their job.

You can imagine the conversation - "foxtrot whisky - there is an escaped criminal in the town centre area of cameratown - please advise of location if anyone is seen" - within the car the officers are not technically on a "999" - this sort of scenario can be applied to many other important activities they do - and might prevent them from keeping to a limit...

I'll never be anti police - I may not agree with all they currently have to do - or the cover they are able to perform - but ultimately this sort of hard line propoganda has never worked.

So next time we have a cop who's on 12 points due to these measures - and he has lost his licence - and possibly lost or been suspended from his job - then dont all moan at once due to the lack of haste in their response or availability...


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Come on

The Police...or at least their leaders tell us that speed kills, that straying above the limit is like 'drifting a knife' into someone.

Each time a police officer gets caught on camera they are effectively being photographed in an act thats tantamout to attempted murder if you would believe their hypebole.

I'm afraid that every such infringement should be prosectuted and if found guilty the officer concerned should be sacked without pension. How can we have a police service staffed with potential killers?


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I'm afraid that every such infringement should be prosectuted and if found guilty the officer concerned should be sacked without pension. How can we have a police service staffed with potential killers?


Is that sarcasm?

This spurious road safety policy can wreck people’s livelihoods. And for what? For being found guilty of a technical infringement.

What we should really hope for is that the realisation of the futility of Speed Cameras will dawn on the misguided assumptions of the “Speed Kills” brigade.

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Am I missing something here?

Brunstrom appears to be saying that when on a 999 call these officers can be trusted to be in full control of the vehicle at all times, hence no conviction is needed. But when not on a 999 call, the same officers become mindless morons who face the full weight of the law?

Are patrol cars now fitted with mind altering gadgets for when the blue lights are operating or not?

Or is it more likely that Brunstrom is a complete pratt who has 100% bought into the whole farce that is 'speed kills'


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Grumpy Old Biker wrote:
civil engineer wrote:
I'm afraid that every such infringement should be prosectuted and if found guilty the officer concerned should be sacked without pension. How can we have a police service staffed with potential killers?


Is that sarcasm?

This spurious road safety policy can wreck people’s livelihoods. And for what? For being found guilty of a technical infringement.

What we should really hope for is that the realisation of the futility of Speed Cameras will dawn on the misguided assumptions of the “Speed Kills” brigade.


It is ...and it isn't.

As long as Brunstrom, ACPO, Hughes et al spout the drivel that they do about speeding being tantamount to mass murder then in is simply incompatible for a convicted 'speeder' to be employed as a police officer.

I'm afraid that i strongly believe this as a point of principle.


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As long as Brunstrom, ACPO, Hughes et al spout the drivel that they do about speeding being tantamount to mass murder then in is simply incompatible for a convicted 'speeder' to be employed as a police officer.

I'm afraid that i strongly believe this as a point of principle.

I tend to agree that these two are inconsistent. However, we have to mend the absurd arm of this animal, not amputate the other one to get the symmetry.


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However, we have to mend the absurd arm of this animal, not amputate the other one to get the symmetry.


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I think both view points and approaches are valid and will achieve our ends.

I believe there is a technique known as 'good cop bad cop'.


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