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 Post subject: Save our cyclists
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 13:00 
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/save-our-cyclists-clamour-for-flood-of-avoidable-road-deaths-to-be-stemmed-2268135.html
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Nine steps towards safer cycling
The London Cycling Campaign, which promotes safer cycling in the capital, has produced a nine-point-plan for reducing the toll of death and injury among cyclists:

* Enforce speed limits and clamp down on drivers who use mobile phones.
* Crack down on hit-and-run drivers, who account for a large portion of serious road injuries.
* Introduce 20mph speed limits in all built-up and shopping areas of Britain's towns and cities.
* Require all lorries to carry full safety equipment to help them avoid collisions with cyclists: six mirrors, sensors and safety guards.
* Require organisations which run lorries and other large vehicles to provide their drivers with cyclist awareness training, as already practised in four London boroughs.
* Include a "cycle awareness" section in the driving theory and practical tests
* Allocate more road space to cycling, as has been done in The Netherlands and Denmark, among other places.
* Provide all children with access to Bikeability cycle training, the current version of the Cycling Proficiency test

* Encourage less car use and more. cycling so that, as in The Netherlands and Denmark,

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 Post subject: Re: Save our cyclists
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 13:41 
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What has the last point to do with cyclist safety?

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 Post subject: Re: Save our cyclists
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 13:52 
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How did I know it was almost all going to be about cars/lorries, not bicycles?


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 Post subject: Re: Save our cyclists
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 13:58 
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Introduce 20mph speed limits in all built-up and shopping areas of Britain's towns and cities.

Yawn. Same old, same old...

Teaching cyclists not to position themselves in the blind spot of buses and lorries would be a start.

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 Post subject: Re: Save our cyclists
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PeterE wrote:
Teaching cyclists not to position themselves in the blind spot of buses and lorries would be a start.


Only got themselves to blame, eh?


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 Post subject: Re: Save our cyclists
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 15:03 
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Teaching cyclists not to position themselves in the blind spot of buses and lorries would be a start.


Only got themselves to blame, eh?

It is usually a car-hater that would make such a flawed and misleading interpretation.

Some people really do need to be saved from themselves!

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 Post subject: Re: Save our cyclists
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The person most able to minimise the risk to you is you.

Unless you're a cyclist it seems, in which case keep doing what you like and blame all other road users when it doesn't work for you.


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 Post subject: Re: Save our cyclists
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PeterE wrote:
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Introduce 20mph speed limits in all built-up and shopping areas of Britain's towns and cities.

Yawn. Same old, same old...


I would have thought 20mph is quite a reasonable limit for cyclists :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: Save our cyclists
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You may as well substitute the word cyclist for pedestrian. Let them all act like blithering deaf dumb and blind idiots and place the cure on ever more vehicle restrictions, speed and lower limits.

As said, same old same old...

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 Post subject: Re: Save our cyclists
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malcolmw wrote:
What has the last point to do with cyclist safety?


It is generally accepted, from international studies, that the higher the percentage of cyclists in the traffic population the more careful other road users are towards them.

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 Post subject: Re: Save our cyclists
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Johnnytheboy wrote:
How did I know it was almost all going to be about cars/lorries, not bicycles?


Because you know that most cyclists KSIs are caused by cars/lorries not bicycles??????

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 Post subject: Re: Save our cyclists
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PeterE wrote:
Teaching cyclists not to position themselves in the blind spot of buses and lorries would be a start.


Eliminating blind spots would be a better start. Even motorists would benefit from that.

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 Post subject: Re: Save our cyclists
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dcbwhaley wrote:
Eliminating blind spots would be a better start. Even motorists would benefit from that.


Are you prepared to bet your life on, 1) there being no blind spots (you can have all the mirrors in the world, but if they're not all properly adjusted...), and b) the driver actually looking in the right direction at the critical (for you) time?

It's no use being in the right, but dead.

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 Post subject: Re: Save our cyclists
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dcbwhaley wrote:
Because you know that most cyclists KSIs are caused by cars/lorries not bicycles??????


That's half true, just like it's the train hitting you that killed you, not the fact that you jumped in front of it.
Are you quite sure that in most cases the cyclist isn't to blame?????

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 Post subject: Re: Save our cyclists
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dcbwhaley wrote:
It is generally accepted, from international studies, that the higher the percentage of cyclists in the traffic population the more careful other road users are towards them.


Well, the more cyclists you see, the more aware you are of them.
You don't need any international studies to figure that one out.

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 Post subject: Re: Save our cyclists
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Nothing in there about observing red lights, and will the cyclists also be expected to do less than 20mph?

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 Post subject: Re: Save our cyclists
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RobinXe wrote:
Nothing in there about observing red lights, and will the cyclists also be expected to do less than 20mph?


And looking before emerging from side roads.

In my experience most cyclists seem to think the Highway Code does not apply to them.


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 Post subject: Re: Save our cyclists
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whynot wrote:
In my experience most cyclists seem to think the Highway Code does not apply to them.


As, in my experience, so do most motorists - especially paras 238-244.

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 Post subject: Re: Save our cyclists
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Johnnytheboy wrote:
How did I know it was almost all going to be about cars/lorries, not bicycles?


Because you know that most cyclists KSIs are caused by cars/lorries not bicycles??????


No, because I know cyclists like to blame everyone but themselves for the accidents they have.

There's a thread on PH at the mo about collisions between bikes and pedestrians and the usual thing's happened: some web-cyclists have turned up and started blaming cars. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Save our cyclists
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Johnnytheboy wrote:
There's a thread on PH at the mo about collisions between bikes and pedestrians and the usual thing's happened: some web-cyclists have turned up and started blaming cars. :lol:
Nooo! Surely not? I don't believe you. Why would you say a thing like that? :?

:lol:

On a more serious note.. My own opinion is that the more cyclists there are the better because drivers will become more accustomed to them. A conversation at work the other day between me, Maria and Tracy revealed something which freaked me out and taught me something I didn't know about Maria, (My main squeeze). I can’t remember the exact words but this was the gist..

Maria - "I never know what to do when I see a cyclist"

Tracy - "Yeah, and me”. (Leaning her upper body towards Maria and endorsing her comment by nodding)

Me - "What do you mean?"

Maria - "I never know what they are going to do and I don't know when’s best to overtake. I usually hold back until me or him turns off".

Me - :o

Maria – “I get nervous around them”

Tracy – “Yeah, and me”.

Me - :shock:

It's not often I get stuck for words :whome: but they floored me with that one.

Make of it what you will but I’m still gobsmacked and don’t know what to think. (We need a fainting on the floor backwards smilie). :wink:

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