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1. Measure the problem don't mis this step out!
2. decide where exactly the complaint lies
a. dangerous speeding
b. cars too close to the houses
c. visibillity
d pavements too narrow
e. speed limit not clear enough, or the fact it is a village is not clear enough
f. lorries and commuters using it as a rat run
g noise issues
3 look for a solution that would atack the problem
To my mind, looking at the map, this is not an "A" raod or arterial road
for a short period it could be "street dressed" widen the pavements, add parking , remove parking, define the village entrance. a cobble rumble strip at each end,
a weight restriction.

Things to avoid. Speed bumps, cameras chicanes. they all attract aggresion

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“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

It sounds like you want to avoid anything that might work!

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They get the point, RigPig. It's just SafeSpeed causing trouble with his old "exactly 30"
routine.

The thing is to change drivers' moods. Today, the balance of politics has changed, and
drivers are relearning how to be considerate. They have to drop all this possessive
"compete and rush" bullshit, and it's hard for blokes to do that when they are force fed with
car culture from an early age. Only some can make it on their own - the others need
to be motivated to change. But it's so easy when you try - just take the pressure off the
pedal!

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And perhaps one way of changing drivers' moods (for the better) is for LA's & Govt to encourage better driving standards and stop deliberately creating congestion?

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Pecunia Prius Equitas et Salus

You HAVE to be joking. Again.

Drivers are under too much pressure from the state and they are becoming less skilfull, less considerate and less patient. As TRL has put it, twice now, drivers are getting worse.

That's the REAL WORLD result of the idiotic policies that you advocate.

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Paul Smith
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The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Nowhere I've been recently - they're getting more and more selfish.

I agree, and why do you think this is?

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That's obvious - there's too many of them. Some people react badly and it is hard for them
to adjust to the increase. We have to help them to learn to be considerate, and cut this
selfishness. It'll take time. To do it, we have to each be considerate to other road users
ourselves. That's the only answer - increasing traffic speeds in built up areas will bring more
traffic and more backlash - I think that's what SafeSpeed wants!

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And do you honestly think that deliberately inconveniencing motorists is the way to do it?

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But you just said

Motorists are inconveniencing themselves - there are too many of them. They are getting mad and pissing off residents. Bad move - that just makes matters even worse, as you can see for yourself!

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The politics have changed now, so let's not dwell in the past. The right choice is to do as
some are doing, and cease violating residents' rights. We drivers should have been doing
that all along.

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Actually it's much more commonplace that 'residents' are becoming unreasonably intolerant under the influence of bankrupt 'policy'.

It's only a tiny minority of drivers who are regularly inconsiderate. (And I'd applaud any policy that accurately (and effectively) targeted inconsiderate driving.)

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

At least I was trying to be constructive
My sugestions all work if put in the right place and there are pleanty of places in Hampshire where they work and enhance the villages.

[words fail me] Ugg! [/words fail me]

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Well, perhaps some have got the point .
Unfortunately an 'imposter point' has appeared which is causing a distraction.

To cut a a speeding problem through a village nearby which splits a NSL SC, they installed narrowed gateways at either end, narrowed the lanes slightly and installed a high-visibility single speed bump per lane right in the middle of the village with a gap in between that is wide enough for a car to negotiate if there is nothing coming the other way.

The limit is 30 and it is only realistically possible to achieve this if no vehicles are approaching in the opposite direction, otherwise you have to negotiate the speed hump at 20. This provides a natural slowing when hazard density increases.

No speed camera, no aggression, the system works well and everyone is happy!

Where is this, as a matter of interest?

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Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Collins Green, Cheshire

I've not read the whole thread because I got a bit bogged down in the middle.

Anyway, I was brought up down a dark no-through-road in rural shropshire and now live in a "village" in south essex. I live on the high street and don't care how fast you drive past my house within reason. When I go to the shop at 30 there is a queue behind me so most are evil law breakers!

When you drive past the neighbours at 40 it seem alot slower that when they drive past yours at 40. People start coming past here at 4:30 - 5 am and go on to the wee small hours, but they are just people going about their business, which they are allowed to do. I do wish they knob heads with noisy exhausts would disapear up their own oriffices though.

Trying to eak out a living in the countyside has shown me that a lot of the people that move in to it are idiots. They see a idillic picture and think "I'll have some of that" then complain because some one drove past there house or a farmer sprayed his crops/ made a mess/ stirred up some dust/ made some noise/ spread muck/ had a noisy cow, or a neighbour built an extension, blarr blarr.

I don't want speed cameras, stupid gate things, flasy signage, speed hump (not driving over those bastards every time I go in or out of the place) or any other peice of nimbyism near me. I'm not likely to call the cops either, because as an ex-bosses wife proved, it's normally the locals that are to blame.

....some youf has just driven past quite fast, not sure how fast but he grabbed several gears, if he didn't have tractor exhaust, i'd never have known...

That is very true.



That is SO true

Example: one of our village pubs recently was the subject of a public meeting looking into whether they could sell off some their skittle alley out the back, and have houses built there. This apparently necessary because the pub was ver short of money.

A whole sequence of "concerned neighbours" stood up and protested that this would spoil the character of a centuries-old pub etc. etc.

Then the landlord stood up and said: "If you're all so concerned about the preservation of my pub, why have I never seen a single one of you come through my door?"

Brilliant.