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So no residents' vehicles, refuse carts or delivery vehicles ever came down it? Amazing!


So cameras divert traffic? Thanks for that statement.

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Errrrr! What about the danger you then create for yourself, your passengers and other folks on the road after taking out exhaust, suspension etc - even at low speed on the damn things!

I know of humps on one road near where my Ma lives - height is ridiculous. You would need a tank to get over them! Grrrr!






So .... someone has heart attack, accident in the home -.... or cylist doing a wheely and various stunts over these humps needs emergency attentiion (or cyclist has run over a child), or your wife has had enough and is murdering you with her make up bag ....

Think you might like the emergency services to arrive in hurry without damaging their vehicles or damaging their life saving equipment ono board whilst expert paramedic drives and his/her other expert paramedic
partner ensures you stay alive on way to A&E chaps!....




That must make internet shopping a nightmare then....

As for your property value increasing - that is more down to overall increase in the market. People were shelling out a million for a small semi in London, and parking facilities, garages added value as well. They even offered "£200K for an garage converted into one room flat down there....

When bottom falls out of market (and it is starting to do so already - you will find a difference)

But bottom line mate - humps had nowt to do with your profit - and when common sense returns - scams and humps will decrease the market values by a lump.


Kid yourself not!

In that case, a criminal offence is commited by those who install them. Also road users affected are entitled to compensation from them for this deliberate criminal damage.



But not proportionately less, so the effect is guaranteed to be an overall increase in deaths. Slowing down does not affect the rate of heart attacks, strokes, choking, household accidents etc.



Logical fallacy: post hoc, propter hoc. House prices have been on the rise for years, everywhere.

Also drivers pay a yearly fee and fuel tax for the right to drive on a proper standard of road, so if this right is taken away by 'closing' roads with humps, the tax must be refunded. Closing all roads would also mean no one can go to work, crippling the country.

My route to work is either stop/start main road or a rat run with speed humps. The former takes an extra 20 minutes or, put another way, the latter shortens my working day by 20 minutes. So I use it.

The rat run didn't used to have speed humps. It does now. The volume of traffic has reduced slightly. I estimate 15% of the traffic that used to use the ratrun now use the main drag. This means that the ratrunners take about thew same length of time that they used to.

The speed between speed humps is remarkably similar to the previous "normal" speed. However, it is now punctuated with a lot of near stops and fast starts leading to and from the pillows. Much more pollution, both noise and gas.

I chose my current car such that it straddles the half-width ones. Much bigger than I actually need. On the odd occasion when I am at the front of the queue, I can negotiate most of that route now without slowing down. My previous car required much more careful positioning to achieve this, and even then I could not avoid them completely. So I got a bigger one. Selfish? Damned right. Do I exceed a safe speed there? No. Absolutely not. I used to go through at a quiet even pace keeping an eye on things. Now I do the same, but punctuated by polluting and noisy stop starts at each hump (as do the rest of the train of commuters).

In a previous quote you clamed it doubled the value of property.

Ah well just goes to show, you are making it up as you go a long...

So why did you move to a more "dangerous" street

you do talk B*llocks...

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Obviously people dont like speed bumps.

I dont like going over them either.

But when you cut the traffic down you increase the value.

We couldnt sell for months, we knew nothing of the speed humps till they came and put them in. Overnight there was no more noisy trafic cuttting through.

With in a week we had three people out bidding each other for it. Seems everyone wants to live on a quiet little back street funnily enough.

Seems the truth hurts and you know its the truth. So you are all getting angry about it. but I believe you all would also be campaigning for humps given a similar situation (make a quick buck).

The reason I want a camera on my new street, is that it gives it that conservative, law abiding, well to do look, to the area.

You probably have noticed where the people give half a shtt about the area, is where you find the cameras, (rich areas). So I fancy one down my road. A few cops hanging round with nothing better to do, always looks impresive as well, in those dark coloured patrol cars, I like those.

No riff raf here thankyou, that kind of thing.

Ok, so people in your area are selfish NIMBYs. Doesn't mean speed bumps are for the greater good though, does it.

Sorry I thought there were at accident black spots.

Ah well I will have to write to my local Scamera Squad to get this checked out.....

Where do you get this stuff from...

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[quote"speed kills"]We couldnt sell for months, we knew nothing of the speed humps till they came and put them in. Overnight there was no more noisy trafic cuttting through.[/quote]Your buyers must have been strange folk if the speed humps were what sold them on your old house. Personally I hate the bloody things in my road, but bought the house anyway since asking them to take it apart and rebuild it away from the humps seemed unreasonable . I'd be surprised if your experience with a bidding war occuring just after humps were installed was anything more than coincidence. Did any of them actually tell you or the agents that they were specifically looking for somewhere with humps in the road outside?

BTW I don't know if you've come across this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/3968165.stm
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A Wiltshire village is piloting a road safety experiment in which its traffic calming measures are removed.

The village of Latton no longer has speed humps or chicanes, and the white lane markings in the middle of the road have been taken away.

Instead, architectural designers are hoping the lack of road markings will make drivers more aware of other cars.

Andrew Wyatt, from the Wiltshire Traffic Safety Police said "The boundaries are psychological."

Rupert Lovell, landscape architect said the lack of road markings forced drivers to be on their guard.

"The perceived increase in risk hopefully has the effect of slowing motorists down," he said.
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It'll be interesting to see what the results of this trial will be. I think a false sense of danger may reduce speeds as well as or better than installing genuine artificial hazards.

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They probably had bikes - not cars... Has opposite effect up here.



Most on my road are campaigning to have them removed - they create noise and wreck cars.....



Er ..... this would tell me to avoid as my kids might just get run over as this is a black spot full of hazards....like you.....





Yup .. a closet speeder.... Of course they put them where they will make money - but are you sure the scam will be filming speeding cars here...





Ah... you have found where I lark around...

How do you I have nothing better to do ...

Bag of doughnuts and some entertainment - courtesy of the riff raff down your street - and your antics in front of the camera....

Up to the point where it gets covered in grafitti, attacked with an angle grinder, burned down or blown up... That'll do wonders for your property value, won't it



Really? So all those cameras I see in run-down areas should be an indicator to me that those areas are, in fact, anything but the run-down, dirty, uncared-for, grotholes they give every impression of being. I think not. Ooh, and just how many residents does the M4 have, or the M25? Plenty of cameras on certain stretches of those motorways, but I don't see much evidence of there being any locals to give a shit about the area.

Although my original message was jokey, the points made were serious. Ever since I moved to an area populated by speed bumps, each one of the four cars I have owned developed suspension/tracking/alignment problems. I have never known this before and NO I don't drive over them at anything like the speed limit. If speed was the cause I would have slowed down considerably purely to save the £000's I have had to find in repair bills and unevenly worn tyres.

My car failed its 1st MOT the other day due to a knackered rear o/s bush and my wife's MR2 is handling very oddly.

What's the point of having a 30 limit and installing speed bumps which cause herniated vertebrae if you attempt to negotiate them at 25mph?

Transit drivers still happily roar around as fast they like due to their wide track.

But if it keeps house prices healthy I'm sure that's all that matters.

Only in "speed kills" imagination....

I suffered a suspected heart attack about 2 years ago. It was in the early hours of the morning. The hospital was more than 5 miles away the other side of the city. They got to me in less than 10 minutes. There is no traffic calming between the Hospital and my house.

I would NEVER EVER buy a house which was near speed humps. If they appeared I would probably move.

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Most of us though are healthy and dont have to worry about heart attacks.

We want to stay healthy and not have car accidents.

If you are worried about your heart you should slow down, maybe get yourself one of those granny mobile things, you will look good in it!

Dont move till after your house price shoots through the roof though.

Don't be a f*ckwit. If you don't think you will ever need an emergency ambulance you are more stupid than you appear. And that is saying something...

I have had to call out a Ambulance 3 times in my life.
1) when my wife was rushed in for an emergency caesarean. Baby nearly died
2) Father had lung cancer. The tumour ruptured and he nearly drowned in his own blood.
3) My turn.

The London Ambulance service say that 500 lives are lost every year due to speed bumps. No body knows if they have saved a single life.

You do the maths...If you can that is

But maybe in you world you only alow healthy people...

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In the real world, the important figure is not the number of lives, but the cost of saving total years of life. For example, bumps near playgrounds save children, which is more years-of-life saved than, say, the Ambulance Service, who save a lot of old people with less time to go. This is borne out in everyday experience. No one would waste a new heart on a 90 year old when a 18 year could have it.

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OK

Dosen't count then!

So where are the figures ?

How many childrens lives have humps saved in London?
If this is being used as an argument there must be some facts to back it up!

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But ambulances ALSO save a lot of younger people. And if the reason speed bumps save children is because those children are running into the road without making sure it's clear first, then shouldn't we be using the money spent on bumps and other "calming" methods to provide better road safety education for the children? Do we really want to be raising generations of kids who think traffic will always stop for them no matter how stupidly they behave on or near a road? What will that do for pedestrian casualty figures over the next few years, I wonder...



...oh, sorry, I forgot, there won't be anyone driving on the roads by then because those of us who haven't lost our licences through totting-up will have been taxed off the roads anyway

Good point

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