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Look, twister, you think that How do you expect to convince anyone when you compare these things? Knife-wielding child-killing thugs get life in a mental institute, while speeders get a fine worth the equivalent of 4 hours earnings, and 3 chances before a short cooling off period on the bus.

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Nice try deflecting the thread away from a point which you can't answer without hurting your side of the argument. Now, remind me again who actually compared speeders to knife-wielding murderers? If your answer is "Twister", bzzt, wrong. If youn answer is "Richard Brunstrom, friend of all who support robotic speed enforcement", congratulations, you're this week's winner...

So, are you addicted to heroin?

I dare say that I would be if I took it for a while. Why do you ask?

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Suspect Basingwerk is falling prey to a little out-group homogeneity bias, "they're all the same these speeders". It can happen to all of us but usually we learn that any argument based on "they're all the bleedin' same" starts to crumble somewhat. Because we're not.

And the "speed addicts/speed fix" stuff Basingwerk, were you ever an Evangelical Minister or tabloid headline writer by any chance?

You know perfectly well why I ask, so I'm not surprised that, as yet, you still haven't answered the question.

NO.



Never tried that line of work, but it sounds good. What type of speeder are you, Twister? The 'thumb in bum, mind in neutral' type, the addict or just plain old anti-social? What other types of speeders are there? I suppose there is the masochistic type who wants to get pinged for the attention. Then there is the ‘I know better than the planners’ types, and ‘the locals don’t know what they are on about’ type. What about the ‘I’m a great driver, so it doesn’t count’ type? And what about the ‘chump’ category, who can’t see a huge yellow box perched on a 10 foot pole, surrounded by whites lines and signs! I think they are the majority, don’t you, Sam?

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Ah, denial. So you ARE addicted then... Thank you.



I think I answered that quite clearly earlier in this thread, but if you choose to continue ignoring the majority of what I write in favour of concentrating only on those individual comments you can use to score some cheap points, then I really don't see why I should bother expending any more of my valuable time reading your posts.

I don't take heroin, so it is not possible. You, on the other hand, have admitted to speeding. I ask again - what type of speeder are you, Twister?

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I haven't been online for a while, but I see bwerk/brunstrom the troglodyte is still receiving troll food! (can't make up my mind):cry:

basingwerk,

I can only infer from your posts that you in fact are simply here to have fun and spend as much time as you can being devils advocate regardless of reality. I do not believe for an instant that you are as stupid as you appear. No-one could read ALL the information available on speed cameras and road "calming" devices and come out with the gibberish you do unless they were just doing it for a reaction.

Speed humps distract drivers from the road ahead, cause damage to vehicles and delay emergency vehicles. The reduction in speed is only at the hump and most drivers then accelerate back up to something like the speed limit between them. While approaching each speed hump they are more likely to miss seeing the child run out in front and are therefore more likely to cause an injury.

When I drive on a local road I drive to my visibility, which may mean slowing to a crawl because of a lot of parked cars on a narrow road as it is almost impossible to have a clear field of view, or driving at or over the limit when there is plenty of vision of not only the road but the footpath and any gardens/play areas adjoining the roadway. Being distracted from the view ahead is counter-productive and endangers lives.

I'm sure you will flame me back but I will just assume that is all part of the act.

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Yes I'm a hoon, but only on the track!!!!

Yes, perhaps he needs to be put on a starvation diet...

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No way, Ross. PeterE and Oscar are trying to keep me out of their club for speeders, but I am interested always in opening new dialog, even if it is sometimes a little tongue in cheek. Now Sam has identified that there are many different types of speeders, and I have put together a little list of the ones I know about:

The 'thumb in bum, mind in neutral' type, the addict, the plain old anti-social git, masochistic type who wants to get pinged for the attention, the ‘I know better than the planners’ types, ‘the locals don’t know what they are on about’ types,
the ‘I’m a great driver, so it doesn’t count’ types, and the ‘chump’ category, who can’t see a huge yellow box perched on a 10 foot pole, surrounded by whites lines and signs. I contest that the last category is the largest. What is your view? Are there any other types, Ross?



You may not have noticed, but I do try to keep personal insults to a minimum. I may call someone a chump if things are really getting angry, but I do try not to go further than that, and certainly do not use the Troll word for anyone, even PeterE or Oscar!



That opinion is not in accordance with my own. Would you like me to expand on that, or would it be 'stupid .... gibberish ... '?



I could also give an opinion on that rather sensible point of view. I am somewhat afraid because woozles (Oscar and PeterE) are watching, and have no doubt raiding their on-line dictionary for disparaging insults.

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Ambulances aren't just there for the victims of road accidents you selfish simpleton.

I hope to god it isn't your elderly relative suffering a heart attack stuck at one end of a hump-infested route with the paramedics rushing to save him/her stuck at the other.

I only have your word for that, but you could simply be in deep denial



Exactly, I KNOW I exceed the limit from time to time, it's not something I do without conscious thought, it's not something my body or mind pushes me into doing out of some chemically-triggered craving. So suggesting that I'm an addict is wrong, totally and utterly wrong. You choose to see my denial of this as proof I must be addicted, and that's just as stupid as me suggesting you're a heroin addict, knowing you'd deny it. Difference is, it should be clear to anyone reading this thread that I'm just pulling your leg to try and show how stupid your "denial=guilt" stance is, I really don't get the impression that you were just pulling my leg when you called me a speed addict earlier...




And I say, again, that I've already answered this. I might not have used one of your handy-dandy not even remotely anti-speed-biased labels - and I have no intention of doing so - but I've certainly provided a more than adequate description of my driving style for you to determine which one you'd use to label me. Please try not to let your inherent bias cloud your judgement here, you've already labelled me incorrectly once, I wouldn't like to see it happen again.

Your classifications are ludicrous, inaccurate, vague, unhelpful and prejudicial.

The following classifications are real, sensible, useful and important:

* Experienced drivers who have accurately set an appropriate speed according to the conditions. (Leave these folk alone, they are not a safety hazard)

* Reckless drivers who know they are exceeding thresholds that they would normally regard as safe. (Lock 'em up, fine them, ban them or retrain them if possible)

* Inexperienced drivers who don't recognise the safe thresholds. (Give them guidance and get them "up to speed" as soon as possible. Accurate road safety messages and realistic speed limits are highly important)

* Drivers (experienced or not) who have failed to recognise the significance of some hazard or another and have failed to reduce speed to suit local conditions. (Their safety violations are transient, but very dangerous). (Their hazard perception failures cause incidents and accidents, Recognise their failures by their results and train them to make repeats less likely. If they don't train up then get them off the roads.)

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You are entitled to your view, worthless as it is...

What inflames me is the obsession, and the profit that is being derived from the obsession with speed as a factor in deaths and injuries to the exclusion of other more significant factors which if given the same level of attention could save more lives.

PS. I have never paid a speeding fine, and have a clean licence.

Sums it up in my view!!!

Speed Cameras cost lives

We have the proof. Including deaths as a direct result of camera placement. Deaths as a result of the lack of direct Policing, and deaths as a result of speed humps. None of these victims have been given a voice.

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Missing a huge yellow box on a ten foot pole (assuming it's not hidden behind other street furniture or a bridge or something) suggests a bit of 'thumb in bum, mind in neutral'... here, you're not double-counting are you basingwerk?

The masochistic attention seeking type who gets pinged on purpose - are there really any drivers like this? I doubt it. I've never heard of anyone doing this, and can't imagine any sane person wanting to. If this group actually exists they should be in rubber rooms.

I'm not sure where the boy-racers and car thieves are in your list. Are they in the anti-social git/speed addict bit? That might be fair for the boy racers, but seems to be letting the theives off lightly. You need a category about driving fast in the course of criminal activity (yes, we're talking excessive speed here, but they will invariably be over the limit as well). Also you haven't got a category for people who are speeding because of drink or drugs (including prescription medicines).

And where would you put that bloke who was nicked for doing over a ton on the motorway a few years ago, and turned out to have been trying to get to the loos at the next services before his Dehli belly let go and ? Or someone speeding to a hospital with wife in the back going through premature labour? Or the guy who got pinged in Leicestershire with organs for transplant on board? More where those came from, but they don't seem to fit neatly into any of your categories.

About the ‘I know better than the planners’ types. I suspect you've come up with this one in response to the rest of us bitching about certain roads where the limit has been reduced for no apparent reason. Now, if the planners or engineers or whoever have been overruled by local government who are setting a limit based on political reasons, where does that leave the 'I know better' type? Would the planners have set the limit at about the same level as these drivers choose to set their speed in the absence of politcally motivated control freaks? Maybe, maybe not. However, I'd say that the number of drivers who claim to know better than the experts is fairly small. The number who would agree that in places the experts are no longer in charge is something else of course.

Let me throw a hypothetical at you basingwerk. Let's say some real headcases ended up in charge and reduced all speed limits to 20mph and 40 on the motorway. What speed would you choose to set on a rural dual carriageway on a clear, dry afternoon? What about a motorway late at night with hardly anyone on it? What about old single carriageways that used to be 60mph and are now 20? You do not have the option of leaving the country and going back to Canada as they also put airport tax up by forty thousand percent and you can't afford it So how about it? Would you obey the law (might be the only one obeying it )? Or would you be a speeder like the rest of us, and if so which category would you be in? <Sharp intake of breath> Not... 'I know better than the planners'?

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He's been asked this question on a number of occasions previously and never answered then, so why expect an answer now? It doesn't fit in with his trite arguments, so expect an evasive response.....

Hmm, so I'm a woozle. I'm flattered

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Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed