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 Post subject: A5 improvements
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 22:17 
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Plans to spend nearly £4 million straightening a notorious stretch of the A5 near Hinckley, were confirmed today.

The Highways Agency announced it wants to plough £3.76 million into fixing the Stretton Bends - the scene of dozens of crashes within the past few years.

However, it has emerged it will be at least five years before work on the scheme starts.

Every day more than 15,500 vehicles use a stretch of the A5 / Watling Street, between the M69 and Royal Red Gate junction at Fenny Drayton.

Plans for the improvements were due to be announced at a Hinckley and Bosworth Highways Forum meeting today.

Today, residents and councillors warned a five-year wait for the improvements was too long and called for an immediate cut in the speed limit.

Ken Clarke, 52, a Stretton House Farm resident and performance driving instructor, has logged 20 crashes in the past three years. He said: "2008/09 is way too far ahead. It needs to be done next year, or the year after that. How many more people are going to be killed?"

While details of the road straightening scheme are finalised, the Highways Agency is recommending £200,000 be spent on improving lighting as an interim measure.

Hinckley and Bosworth Borough Council leader Carole Claridge, fears there could be another five or six fatalities before the work starts. She said the street lights, traffic lights on the M69 junction, a stricter speed limit and cameras would be much easier to bring in


Much easier to bring in...but totaly ineffective... :?

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They put some cameras up on the A5 at Hints, Tamworth a few years back because they said it had a history of bad accidents, yet our local rag reported that there had only been one fatal and a handful of serious accidents. There has been a fatal accident since the cameras where put there, so what do you think they did.............................?
Yes...............full marks at the back! They put up more! This time, further in towards Tamworth on a nice fairly straight piece of road where they will generate plenty of money! :roll:

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The Highways agency shut the longshoot junction for about six months some time ago, spent an obscenre amount of money to cure problems, re opened it and back came the problems.
The Redgate junction was another excuse to waste money - hiding cameras behind trees, trying to insunuate that a dual carriage way was not one.
But so far the "improvments" and cameras have been Warks and (I think Staffs) doing -scameras at Hints are marked CAxxx -this bit is in Leics - so let's see if Leics can do the job sensibily or are they just out for profit too
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let's see if Leics can do the job sensibily or are they just out for profit too


Don't get me started on that one.... :lol:

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What gets you going Gizmo -your lack of faith in Leics CC OR the profit motive.
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What gets you going Gizmo -your lack of faith in Leics CC OR the profit motive.

Both..
1) the Leicester Greed camera mob are always hogging the press. Some of the stuff they come up with is outrageous....usualy before the "bad" news come out... :wink: They admit that one third of all those caught on camera are never convicted. So at least they are crap at their job.. :roll:

2) Leicester ...(AKA The UKs first environment city.. :lol: )has the worst ring road in the country. It is still incomplete. It also has some of the most conjested roads north or watford!

3) we have some of the most stupid cycle lanes ever devised. Get a pavement thats 4 feet wide and paint a white line down the middle.. :?

And that's just for starters..... :evil:

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Know Leics from years ago -so it's still the same?.
used to be that tyey couldn't afford cameras.
Better not mention ring roads - we've got the one Terry w likes to make fun of- might start up a new post - "Who's got the worst ring road"-at least Leics goes round the city.
Biggest problem with A5 IS that it is boundary between Leics and Warks for a lot of it's length.
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botach wrote:
at least Leics goes round the city.

Apart from the bit between the A46 and A47.. :?
And the 30 mph dual carriage way...it’s taking the p*ss

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Possibly due to number of unguided missiles i remember flying rounf Leics.

But back to A5 - i use it regularly both north and south - only thing wrong with it is A*** they made between M69 and Paynes Garage.Only other thing wrong with it is Mr/ms Pillock driving at 45 in a car capable of going a lot faster - If these are dangerous bends and need £4m spending on then ??? (Safespeed could make a good case for at least twice that in his neck of the woods - Spean Bridge to A9 springs to mind).
Wouldn't a quarter of that suffice - BRING BACK PC PLOD IN A VOLVO -THATS RIGHT TRAFPLOD TO STOP BAD DRIVING, NOT PC GATSO as the the anti car lobby want.
The only reason for speed related accidents on the stretch between redgate and the M69 IS BAD DRIVING.(AND A POORLY RELATED SPEED LIMIT, COUPLED WITH THE WARKS DISEASE - LACK OF PATIENCE)
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Actually Gizmo - both of us have posted on three aBOut the A5 - TRY A SEARCH ON "REDGATE"-I brought the topic up about the speed from hinckley ,then you mentioned 60/70 on the a5 ,now this
Is it great minds or the other?
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Know Leics from years ago -so it's still the same?.
used to be that tyey couldn't afford cameras.
Better not mention ring roads - we've got the one Terry w likes to make fun of- might start up a new post - "Who's got the worst ring road"-at least Leics goes round the city.
Biggest problem with A5 IS that it is boundary between Leics and Warks for a lot of it's length.


Are you a Nuneaton lad then Botach? Snap. What do you think of the "improvements" made to the ring road recently? In my opinion, it's an absolute bloody joke. I just cannot believe they've forced every single vehicle to have to travel round the back of Madisons (oops, showing my age there) I mean Liquid and Envy. With the phasing of the 4,000 sets of traffic lights as it is, you only need about four cars to try and turn right past the front of the nightclub to cause total gridlock round the entire ring road. That slip road could easily be doubled in length down the back of Dunelm.

God, I can't half set off on a rant as soon as Nuneaton ring road is mentioned! :roll:

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Serge - suspect the "improvments" to the ring road were at the request of the comediens union - you can only tell jokes about somat for so long.This should keep them in material for another 25 years.
The biggest problem in Nuneaton (and other parts of the midlands for that matter) is what i call warks disease - remember that part of the highway code tht says "if in doubt" - the midlands version says " jump in and block all access, sod courtesy, if i don't do it someone else will"Courteous drivers hold back to leave a gap and see if things will improve - the idiots think"theres a gap, in we go". And with reducing levels of trafpos nothing gets done - OH i tell a lie - it does around about xmas.

Someone did suggest making it one way round the town 4 lanes worth - but aperently that was too easy.Story goes we have a few sensible county councillors on the planning committee , the rest arive in bath chairs,preceeded by a man with a red flag.

Like you i could rant on about this "ring" road for hours - ranted long enough
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Anyone else noticed that the majority of proposers for scams are WIMMIN? :twisted:
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Only waiting 5 years for the improvement - we have waited 10 years and several fatal accidents for a notorious junction on the A66 in Cleveland to be replaced by a bridge.
BTW, the Highways Agency have spent £12M on the A1(M) between Dishforth and Scotch Corner and not a yard of tarmac has been laid, nor is there a start date known. They did stick up a "temporary" one lane bridge at the notorious Rainton crossroads though.
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bizarre... i cant work out what would cause accidents on that bit of road anyway.. sure there are some very gentle bends.. the section with the garage & junctions is straight & wide, not great for turning right out of but hey turn left & go roung the m69 junction if its busy.

the new roundabouts & industrial estate access has neutered the rest of the way up toward longshoot.

as to the red gate (regular lunch haunt when working up the road) junction the cameras dont cause a problem really as they are pointing at the junction area where you're likely to be within the limit. the dual carraigeway north has always been comically short anyway and left you haring toward the junction so i can see a logic for taking it out.
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as to the red gate (regular lunch haunt when working up the road) junction the cameras dont cause a problem really as they are pointing at the junction area where you're likely to be within the limit. the dual carraigeway north has always been comically short anyway and left you haring toward the junction so i can see a logic for taking it out.


Did you know that in the dash for cash, Warwickshire are not only applying the speed limit for cars on that stretch, but aplying the differential for HGVs as well. If WCC really wanted to make this junction safer, why not re-engineer it with lower speed limits accross it .
The facts on the speed differential are all on their web site -
Warwickshire Casualty Reduction Partnership

Another one from them---
http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/Web/corp ... CC00314386
New figures show Warwickshire’s Safety Cameras reduce speed, crashes and casualties
Sounds good but i got this from ABD about them --
Fatalities
56 51 50 64 49 58 51 49
1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 .

Need we say more?

Another poster said it all - Lieing bstds
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Almost a month later - as law abiding people we should be saying - oh how awfull, in accents of deepest oxford/ other deep south mode or some such guff.(Sorry oxfordians/southerners)
But someone has decided to strike a blow for road safety - remember this camera was set to pick up cars at 60 + the legal bit and HGV at 40 + that bit , so how many cars drivers had to change pants following a hgv whilst keeping an eye on the mirror/speedo and suddenly finding the rear of a HGV getting too close.Road safety imrovements on the A5 - please we're trying to drive safely - don't make us laugh.
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Link to iccoventry.co.uk

And the obligatory quote - "That particular location has seen a number of unpleasant crashes in recent years and cameras have proved very successful in reducing collisions."

The truth is that it will cost them about 30k to replace a hidden camera, targeting HGV AND ENDANGERING BOTH CARS AND HGV, but at the same time making a good return --

Wouldn't road safety be better served by reducing the speed limit across this junction /engineering it better before puting in a speed (sorry safety cash grabbing) camera?
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did the kingsbury 10km tonight and i must say thoroughly enjoyed the almost deserted a446 back to the a45..... very much your typical computer game bit of road :D
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"Casualty Reduction Partnership"

Another name change..... :o

Is this "speed camera partnership" or "safety camera pertnership"?

I wonder how much they spend on changing the stationary... :roll:

It is getting dafter.

Deaths are going up so they should be called "Casualty re-classification Partnership" :?

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"Casualty Reduction Partnership"


CRP?

Well, only one letter out. :lol:
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