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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 23:51 
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Just seen this on PH:

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default ... ryId=16964

Which I think is something Paul's been after for some time now!

Apologies if it's being discussed elsewhere!


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As long as it could be done for the benefit of the lessons learnt, and not for apportioning blame, I would fully support this, and it would likely play a part in any election-time choices I made were a candidate to champion it. If only I could trust them to get it right!


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I'd like to see a 'get the road open as quickly as possible' unit. Last week I was stuck on the M25 and took four hours to do 2 miles to get off the motorway after a car transporter overturned. Investigations could be useful but there is a point where the interruption caused outweighs the benefit.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 17:40 
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Mole wrote:
Just seen this on PH:

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default ... ryId=16964

Which I think is something Paul's been after for some time now!

Apologies if it's being discussed elsewhere!


Yes and no.

It's absolutely crucial to get the blame out of crash investigation and use the information to feed policy.

But I'm worried about big investigations of big crashes. Most fatal crashes are 'freaks' to some extent with few repeats of the totallity of attendent circumstances.

I'd rather see a less detailed investigation (but nevetheless down to root cause) of much greater numbers of smaller crashes or even near miss incidents.

I'm a huge believer in working on the bottom of Heinrich's accident triangle, not the top.

Best of all would be 'self help' accident or incident investigation with root causes considered and gathered to inform policy.

We could also investigate a random sample of middle or high severity crashes in high detail to 'confidence check' the wider results. This would be similar to the ongoing 'On the Spot' project presently underway, although I suspect 'On the Spot' doesn't dig far enough into root causes.

But guess what we'd learn? Shortfalls from the Safe Speed Highway Code in 100 words are the basis of 98% of crashes.

An important part of the self help investigation process would be to deliver the diagnosis to the individual to help them avoid personally repeating the mistake.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 18:54 
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SafeSpeed wrote:

Heinrich's accident triangle, not the top.



who's what now? :?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 21:56 
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scanny77 wrote:
SafeSpeed wrote:

Heinrich's accident triangle, not the top.



who's what now? :?


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I agree, blame shouldn't be the primary purpose - but as the police already seem to do that I rather hoped this would be something different!

I'm far more worried though about its independence. I could see it's funding being withdrawn very rapidly if it had the audacity to suggest that exceeding the speed limit wasn't the cause of everything that ever went wrong! :roll:


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