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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:32 
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just spotted this thread on PH

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topi ... 1&f=10&h=0

I don't know any more.

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That's just amazing. An admission in black and white that after 10 years -- outside of generating revenue and adding points to people's licences -- they have absolutely no idea of the effects cameras have on road safety

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Can't access. Can you cut and paste the text

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 12:26 
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Flat6 on pistonheads wrote:
This tender has come in via a general public sector leads service. So they promote speed/safety cameras and then have to evaluate whether or not they cause accidents elsewhere??

At least they are honest enough to call them speed cameras!

See below.

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MECHANISMS OF CHANGE IN ACCIDENT OCCURRENCE AND DRIVER BEHAVIOUR BROUGHT ABOUT BY SPEED CAMERAS

Type of document: Contract Notice

Country: United Kingdom

Quote Ref: GO 05051306/02.

Award procedure: Restricted.

Contract type: Service; Service Category 8.

Contracting authority: Department for Transport (DfT)

Safety consultancy services.

There is a need to establish the broader effects of speed cameras away from the specific camera sites, and in particular to investigate whether the use of speed cameras causes a migration of accidents to other locations. The research would investigate accidents and speeds at locations away from camera sites by direct observations and by assessing both exposure and changes in risk.

Research is also needed to demonstrate whether improvements in safety performance at speed camera sites arises from the presence of the cameras, or from their deployment at accident cluster locations where safety performance could be expected to improve without treatment: the "regression to mean effect".


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I'm on it now. :)

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I can't get into PistonHeads at the moment. Is there a problem over there?

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 13:13 
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No, but if you follow the link you need to be signed in as the thread is SP&L


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PH isn't accessible from here just now.

I need better reference to the original source document - it doesn't seem to be on the DfT web site. Can anyone help? Anyone know the original PH poster? By telephone would be fine - this is urgent. I'm on 01862 832000.

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Paul

I've just sent him a mail via his PH profile asking him to contact you via your email address or telephone.

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Found this on the Dft site under future studies....not quite the same but it may be relevant.

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R128 Accident rates and their relationship with link geometric parameters
The appraisal of schemes and policies to reduce the number of people killed or seriously injured requires an understanding of existing accident rates and severity splits. The current knowledge base is in urgent need of updating and refinement. An earlier project in this stream (H124) is currently establishing a database of accident and traffic data. Road Safety Division will be participating in the study as they consider the output essential for the monitoring of targets. The Highways Agency is also supportive. The main output will be to provide improved and up-to-date accident and casualty rates for use in scheme and policy appraisal.

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gopher wrote:
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I do. Thanks. :)

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Safe Speed issued the following PR at 07:55am today:

PR192 Safe Speed views vindicated as Department for Transport orders speed camera side effect research

NEWS: For immediate release

The Department for Transport (DfT) has recently issued an invitation to tender for research into speed camera side effects. Safe Speed has been
highlighting dangerous side effects from speed cameras and 'speed kills' road safety policy for years.

Paul Smith, founder of the Safe Speed road safety campaign (www.safespeed.org.uk) said: "It's good to see a move towards proper understanding of the issues surrounding speed cameras, but this is far too little and far too late. The research was required BEFORE the large scale introduction of speed cameras. Not only that but we shouldn't expect to see the results of this urgent research until 2008."

Paul continues: "Are we going to allow roads safety policy to focus on the wrong issues and totally miss the target for another three years while the DfT are still wedded to their speed camera dreams? It's time for a divorce, and although it may be painful, the DfT must face up to the fact that speed cameras don't make the roads safer."

Paul continues: "I don't believe we'll be able to get road safety back on track until all speed cameras are in their rightful place - they should be in
the scrap yard.

<ends>

Notes for editors:
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FULL TEXT OF RESEARCH INVITATION:

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MECHANISMS OF CHANGE IN ACCIDENT OCCURRENCE AND DRIVER BEHAVIOUR BROUGHT ABOUT BY SPEED CAMERAS

Quote Ref: GO 05051306/02.

Award procedure: Restricted.

Contract type: Service; Service Category 8.

Contracting authority: Department for Transport (DfT), PED Zone D/2, Ashdown House, Sedlescombe Road North, St Leonards-on-Sea TN37 7GA. Tel: 020 7944 8476. Fax: 020 7944 8440. Email: raymond.lowry@dft.gsi.gov.uk Website: www.dft.gov.uk (Ray Lowry).

Address from which further information can be obtained: Department for Transport, Road Safety Division, Zone 2/09, Great Minster House, 76 Marsham Street,
London SW1P 4DR.
Tel: 020 7944 2054. Fax: 020 7944 9618. Email: paul.jackson@dft.gsi.gov.uk Website: www.dft.gov.uk. (Dr Paul Jackson).

Type of contracting authority: Central level.

Object of the contract

Framework agreement: No.

Place of performance: London.

Safety consultancy services.

There is a need to establish the broader effects of speed cameras away from the specific camera sites, and in particular to investigate whether the use of speed cameras causes a migration of accidents to other locations. The research would investigate accidents and speeds at locations away from camera sites by direct observations and by assessing both exposure and changes in risk.

Research is also needed to demonstrate whether improvements in safety performance at speed camera sites arises from the presence of the cameras, or from their deployment at accident cluster locations where safety performance could be expected to improve without treatment: the "regression to mean effect".

CPV: 74141700-6

Division into lots: No.

Total quantity or scope: The contract is for an initial period of two years, with an option to extend for a further period of up to six months.

Duration of contract: Starting 15.9.2005 and/or ending 14.9.2007.

Legal, economic, financial, technical information

Financing and payment: Tenders are to be priced in Sterling and payment will only be made in Sterling.

Legal form of entity: The group will be required to nominate a lead partner with whom the Authority can contract, or form themselves into a single legal entity before the contract is awarded.

Qualifications: Any supplier may be disqualified who: Whether any of the circumstances described in Article 29 (a-g) of Directive 92/50/EEC (Regulations 14 of UK SI 1993 No.3228) including, but not limited to, environmental issues apply;

Two hard copies of any information must be forwarded with the application (unless the applicant has recently supplied the information) if the applicant is to be considered as a potential tenderer:

Applicants full name, business address and telephone number;

A key contact name (and status), telephone and fax number and email address;

Length of time trading;

VAT registration number (if applicable);

Any other information the applicant feels might be useful to those assessing their potential.

Technical capacity - means of proof required: Details of the principal services provided in the last three years in connection with the services or any other experience considered relevant.

Reserved to a specific profession: No.

Procedure

Number of suppliers that will be invited to tender: Minimum 5, maximum 20.

Award criteria: The most economically advantageous tender in terms of criteria as stated in contract documents.

Administrative Information

Reference number: PPRO 4/001/0012.

Deadline for receipt of requests to participate: 22.6.2005 (16:00)

Send to: As in awarding authority.

Language(s): English.

Other Information

Non-mandatory notice: No.

EU financing: No.

Covered by the GPA: Yes.
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The reason for the timing of the PR was to give a good crack at it for tomorrow's newspapers. The information was available too late (yesterday) for today's newspapers...

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