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Ah come on, there must be one good, positive reason for them being there....
Not even one? A little one?

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Andrew.

Well , i think most of the cash for ours came from the EEC - and it might have given sme local companies some work.Apart from that - difficult for invading tanks to drive down our roads

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Skateboarding?

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

I suppose I should not admit this but I like some chicanes.

They can be fun when there are no other cars about. I like to see if I can drive through them at the speed limit, or above, as a test of car control.

Maybe they install them for people like me to enjoy?????

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Ross

Yes I'm a hoon, but only on the track!!!!

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Too much of our money is being wasted on supposed road safety improvements that are actually making driving more dangerous.

Is that the same “Nameless Destroyer” who used to wrestle with Mick McManus on Saturday afternoons on ITV?



The AA and the RAC have shareholders, so they steer well clear of any contentious political issues that might make bad press. The reason these things are there is because of bad motoring behaviour. When that behaviour can be curbed another way (technology?), perhaps there will be an incentive to remove those things.

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They are supposed to prevent immature stunts, not incite them. I suppose it's up to you if you want to menace your neighbours - after all, in Australia you are completely harmless to me.

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"supposed to" but they don't, which is why they should go.

Basingwerk says;
The AA and the RAC have shareholders, so they steer well clear of any contentious political issues that might make bad press. The reason these things are there is because of bad motoring behaviour. When that behaviour can be curbed another way (technology?), perhaps there will be an incentive to remove those things.[/quote]

Since when has the AA or RAC giving advice to the designers of dangerous road instalations been a political act? Advising the authorities that their members are extremely concerned about the dangerous hazards being erected is the least we should expect them to do. People are being injured and killed thanks to unlit obstructions in the middle of rural roads.
RJ

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Too much of our money is being wasted on supposed road safety improvements that are actually making driving more dangerous.

Putting emotional appeal to one side, you must have an odd idea of what politics is. If one group decides to put "road installations" up, and another group wants to take them down for whatever reason, then a political decision is required. The alternative is conflict.

Even if the matter is purely technical, we collectively decide the resolution, in this country, having heard what the professionals say. And the professionals want to put them up.

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Immature drivers should go on the bus.

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How can they become mature, then?

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Bus? What's a Bus?

We don't have them round here - hardly an alternative.

Well Bas, I am not in the least bit convinced with your latest piece of convoluted logic.
I have no interest in whether these things are political or what passes for politics in your world.
I am interested in the users of systems, (in this case the road system) being heard and being allowed to make changes for the benefit of all.
Where it is patently obvious that the people who introduce these hazards have lost sight of what they are supposed to be doing, we the sufferers should have the right to censure them and demand change.
In my humble opinion, any instalation that creates more potential for injury and death should be removed. They should be banned, the latest stats. regarding young drivers is a clear indication that our roads are more dangerous now than they have ever been.
The authorities responsible for roads are killing the inexperienced drivers by their road layouts and the increasing hard impact sites that are erected along them.
By the way, this professional, like many others say the hazards should be removed, they should be taken down.
RJ

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Too much of our money is being wasted on supposed road safety improvements that are actually making driving more dangerous.

Humps and Chicanes, as are discussed here, are a very contentious subject, so here's my pennyworth with trepidation on the replies I might get !

1. Humps - here in Crewe several roads, including one I go along every day to work, have hump 'pillows'. At intervals, there are three of these across the road, with gaps between. I find it quite OK to drive along carefully and position my car so the wheels go throught the gaps. Am I therefore doing what the council want me to do? I think, yes, I drive with care, at less than the limit, and don't suffer any bumps, and give way in places to allow opposite traffic to do the same as me.
There are also one or two streets with the 'Full Monty' humps a bit like Mount Everest, and installed before the Pillows came along. Now these are really awful and need removing. Anybody in an ambulance would likely be dead before getting to the hospital, either from the bumps, or the delay in getting there. Don't live on these streets if you have a dodgy ticker, you won't survive !!

2. Chicanes - Frankly I have to admit I think there is a case for these in places because there are significant numbers of people, (the tear-asses), who just speed through villages with no thought as to the villagers safety. From what I see locally , councils do not generally install humps on routes with significant lorry traffic; the humps don't last long and the road haulage industry make a big fuss. Chicanes do at least enforce a slow-down if properly done and in the right places. Ah but there's the rub; are they in the right places ??

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Good manners maketh a good motorist

Just thought I'd post this link:
The Highways (Road Humps) Regulations 1996

Make sure your local road humps are legal.

And I just found this:
The Highways (Traffic Calming) Regulations 1999
Might be of some interest, haven't had a chance to read it fully yet.

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Andrew.

Thanks Ziltro, there is something prophetic about shagger Norris signing humps into law. Maybe he misheard the question
Sir jobs worth: "Would you like to see more humping on the public highway sir"
Norris: "Not half! and put me down for the Mayor of London Job, red Ken won't get in again"
Wrong on both counts
RJ

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Too much of our money is being wasted on supposed road safety improvements that are actually making driving more dangerous.

By trying to obey the law - that would be a great start for most of you!

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If you truly have no interest in the politics of road safety, please demonstrate this by ceasing to argue your case! On the other hand, you are interested in politics, let's talk!



I don't know if you mean just drivers, or all the users of the road system.



You demand change - more politics then, Rod! I demand they stay, whatchagonnadoaboutit? That’s right – more politics! Get used to it Rod – you are as politically outspoken as me - well almost!

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You worry me BW, if the government brought in a law saying old people should be put down at 65, your slavish belief that you should "obey the law" rather than try and hide your granny away until you got it changed would put your granny and many of your neighbours relatives at risk!! Small wonder you might be viewed with suspicion or distrust by your neighbours!!

History is full of bad laws, and people who were prepared to enact them, and also people who challenged those laws, who now are viewed with respect they earned. They were'nt the sort who when the Government said "Stevie babes - JUMP" asked how high!
Of course there will be some who might welcome being transported to Australia in todays climate!

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!