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I take it you are offering Ernest.

Why wont you meet Paul for a debate JJ ?

I hope that's rhetorical, because the answer is clearly that he knows he wouldn't stand the first chance in any kind of reasoned debate like that. He'd get walked all over by Paul and would end up looking even more foolish than he does with his rants on here.

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JJ - Steve - as Ernest has pointed out - deaths are up. I've lived in this area now for over 20 years and whilst I can appreciate that news reporting is a bit quicker due to computer publishing technology - I find I reading about increases rather than decreases in the county. Admittedly - not where you enforcing the speed limit - but then - you are only enforcing where the BiB used to guarantee finding speeders but no accidents anyway!




errrm! 7 men in the pub! Don't actually recall accidents until you lot started there anyway. Now I hear of many - only outside the 40 mph - just - and not exactly speed related either so I hear.

As for the rest - as mentioned: you station at the places where we know the BiB used to cop folks - lucrative but not exactly accident hot spots.



I would sign any petition to raise the motorway speed limit I would like it to be unlimited but I'd settle for a mere 80 mph for starts provided there is scope for review - UPWARDS AND ONWARDS!



Hmm - I mention Paul's campaign to a good many and they do support him. When I have heard Paul on National Radio - like Radio Two a bit back and Radio Five and once on Radio Four - and on GMR - he came across well and people phoned in their support at the time.

The people I have mentioned this site to have told me that they support and I am hoping they will put money where mouths are.

I also think it reassuring that there is a thread on here proving the site is making people think about driving and we even encouraged Cyclist to do and succeed in an IAM test. I try where I can to include our cycling pals as I ride a bike myself! I look for things which will interest them and hope they will add their views. Road safety includes everyone after all!

Plus IG and Ian plugging the COAST message and numerous good practice tips all over this sitte from Paul and contributors to the forum - this does more for road safety than a speed cam as it promotes awareness Steve, Kecin and Jan. Awareness saves lives - and awareness and COAST observation means we drive PROPERLY amnd SAFELY ALLL THE TIME! That's the real safety message and I think Paul is achieving a great deal via a forum which attracts input from yourselves, belladonna, and policemen such as IG, Iam , cotwold et al.

I know you may take my playing with your name in fun (and given my job I think I am entitled to some bantering fun - and don't take i the wrong way - Steve) - but the bottom line is that we are all committed to the same goal: SAFETY!


You know darned well that this site is more about road safety but we cannot pretend that a speed camera is adding much to saving lives - can we!

Could you explain why IG's patch is 24% down on a rate already below UK average - all via BiB enforcement, discretion and fair play?

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Whilst I was stood with the Radio Cumbria reporter at the talivan refuge at Ings on Monday, a coach passed the cameras, clearly in excess of the speed limit - pointed out by the reporter, Martin Lewes.
Aside from the fact that he would only appear on film if the cameras were turned on, it is worth considering that a coach driver prepared to flout the law at Ings, will probably flout the law in Windermere, Ambleside, or anywhere else he passes through, while carrying 30 - 50 passengers, especially in areas where you cannot place speed cameras.
What on earth have the cameras done that improves safety? What was done to prevent the coach from speeding in the 20 limit at Waterhead?
What was going to prevent the coach from knocking a cyclist over along the A591? What was done to prevent a possibly serious accident at Bannerigg?
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. SAFETY Cameras? Dont make us laugh - it's too serious for that!! How come the signs at Ings say SPEED cameras?

Now if Tiny Tim P (TrafPol) from Kendal traffic had been there with HIS speed camera, he would have had it pulled over, and a verbal lesson in driving safely given which I can guarantee would last weeks after in the mind of the driver.
A few weeks ago, Tiny Tim pulled a coach for exceeding the NSL limit down Ratherheath Hill. I know for a fact that passing motorists ALSO took on board the hazardous nature of the offence at that location!!

In MY opinion, the coach we saw on Monday was NOT driving dangerously - and I would expect a trained TrafPol to use his judgement as to whether the driver was worthy of a stop on SAFETY grounds or not.

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There is absolutely no reason why he shouldn't do so and I positively encourage him and his colleagues.

JJ,

Why do you think that fatalities are not falling?

I feel I can answer that fergl100.

It's because the causes of the accidents which lead to those fatalities are not being addressed. All the possible road improvements by engineering have been made, so now it's down to improving the standard of people's driving.
Actually, why bother, let's just make them all drive slower.
And why bother with a £48,000 PELICAN crossing at an accident black spot ZEBRA crossing, when you can just fob off people's concerns with the statement "None of the accidents has been serious enough to cause death or serious injury".
The JJ's are just little cogs in an awfully big Government spinning machine! Others such as weasly Nick Raymond keep pooring on oil so you wont notice the squeaks!

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This is an honest question, not cheeky, I would like to know your thinking on this.

Sorry, but you should really step out of the boots that pay your wages, and into the real world................... Blinkered comes to mind . Cameras only 'help' prevent accidents where they actually are (maybe), what about the rest of the road.....................or should we have continuous cameras on every road???????

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'Help' in quotes indeed, as even that is unlikely. Oh, hang on - didn't Steve/JJ once trumpet the deterrance factor? So, even assuming people are slowing down where they think cameras may be, or are simply complying in respect to the 'speed kills' mantra, why aren't we seeing any real benefits??

PLEASE don't suggest more enforcement as some people will want to try it (especially those who see some money to be made from it.....)

r11co (enjoying Italian roads at the moment - speed limits up, deaths down.)

I dont know - the DfT, the Scamera Partnerships, the Road Safety minister - they all seem to be singing different tunes!!
You'd think they would get their act together, but when you've told so many lies and twisted so many statistics, it must be hard keeping track of your own, let alone your bedfellows!!!

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