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Yes, of course! Wouldn't you? Oh, I forgot - of course you wouldn't! You can't seem to manage to check your speedo AND watch the road at the same time...
Next question?


Sure. So what if the speed limit is LOWER - why is that a problem? Seriously. What exactly happens if you have to drive at 30 instead of 40?
Answer this question or give it up.

Perhaps you would like to answer a version of it yourself?

Why don't we put 20mph speed limits on all our motorways? Surely it would be worth it if it saved one life?

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Paul Smith
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And what if they brought in a law tomorrow that, as some people misbehave after a few pints, they're going to arbitrarily limit everybody to three pints - and if you have just one sip more than three pints then you're in for a heavy fine, and do it four times within a three-year period and you get locked up, regardless of whether you've actually caused any trouble or not. And completely ignoring the fact that many youngsters get drunk and out of hand on less than three pints.



That wasn't what I asked. How do you know what speed you should be doing when the appropriate speed at the time and place is lower than the speed limit?



..and various other mindless insults.

I've now come to the conclusion that you're either:

a) only here to cause mischief and to be deliberately provocative, in which case you're trolling - and trolls aren't welcome here, or on any other forum for that matter, or

b) you're here out of a misguided belief that you can convert us sinners and make us see the light. That you're right and we're wrong and that's all there is to it. Well, matey, if that's the case then surely you can see by now that it simply ain't going to happen, so why bother?

So why should I, or anyone else here, waste another attosecond of time on you?

Of course, I could be wrong, and you may be genuinely interested in debate - but have all the debating skills of a petulant three-year-old.
In which case, I can only advise that you:

1) Drop the attitude
2) Stop making wild assumptions
3) Stop hurling insults around
4) Accept that you're talking to people who are at least as intelligent as yourself, and who just might know a good deal more than you do
5) Listen, and digest, what people are saying before shooting your mouth off
5) Research the site before jumping to conclusions
6) Offer reasoned, well thought-out arguments

If you follow my advice then we'll get along just fine.

If not, find somewhere else to play and stop bothering us.

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Only when ideology, prejudice and dogma are set aside does the truth emerge - Kepler

I drive largely within the speed limits and don't seem to get tail-gaited and over taken dangerously on anywhere near the same scale as you do.

Perhaps it could be suggested your poor lane discipline is the problem?

Oh, I'd love to see that in operation for you


How do you know this?

Have you taken any advanced training, by the way? Perhaps you would like to give us a brief summary of your driving experience.

Do you even drive?


See Paul's response above.

The obvious answer is it takes you a lot more time.

What would be the consequences if we reintroduced the Red Flag Law? Would you care to speculate on that?

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

So, you are suggesting that it's perfectly safe to drive at 30mph on sheet ice in dense, freezing fog because the speed limit sign says "30"?

I assume (hope) that you'll say "no, that's ludicrous" and that, of course, your judgement will be telling you that the safe and appropriate speed for those conditions is a lot lower... (If this isn't the case, would you give us all advance warning of where you're going to be driving so that we can keep out of the area! )

So, bearing the above in mind, can I ask you why you feel that your judgment - which enabled you safely to reduce your speed below the posted limit - would suddenly evaporate the moment that you go 1mph over the posted limit?

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"Politicians are the same the world over... We build bridges where there aren't any rivers." - Nikita Kruschev

It wouldn't need to go down to 20mph to save one life, changing it to 60mph and enforcing it properly would save far more than one life per year.

Every time I go on a motorway, I see many, many angry aggressive SPEEDERS who join the motorway, and then IMMEDIATELY move into the outside lane, and when they leave the motorway, they wait until the last minute to move across all three lanes to get to the exit. Those are classic acts of SPEEDERS.

Since somebody else has decided that a 30mph zone should be 30mph, please explain why you think you have the power to override this speed?

I'm still waiting...

Would it?

Would things be even better if it was 50 mph? Or 40 mph?

And how do you define "properly"?


Earlier today I've travelled about 120 miles on motorways as a passenger. I wouldn't say every other driver I saw was perfect, but I didn't witness a single act of angry, aggressive driving.

I have to wonder whether you are unusually quick to condemn the behaviour of others.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

So you're saying that because it's safe for YOU to drive at 31mph in a 30mph zone, therefore why stop at 31mph? Why not allow YOU to go at 39mph? 49mph? WHO gets to decide?
Don't you understand that we have to have a limit, an inflexible one at that, otherwise it means nothing?
If you were driving along the side of a mountain, and the barrier on the side of the road was allowed to stretch a little over the edge of the side, would it work? Would it be safe? What if it was sticking 5 feet over the side in places?
You STILL haven't explained, NONE of you, why you think it's okay for YOU to decide that it's okay to go over the speed limit. If YOU can do it, why can't everybody? And if YOU can do it on a 'straight road with noone else around', why can't everybody? Then why have speed limits at all?


Oh look - you avoided my basic question... Just like all the other speeders here.

Really angry men who need to get a life.
WHY do you speed?


My arguments are reasoned and well thought out. Speeders speed because they are nasty, selfish, aggressive people. Or perhaps one of you could answer my simple questions and explain WHY you think it's okay for you to speed, and WHY you speed in the first place?

I've never once felt that the posted speed limit was too slow. Never once thought "I really wish I was driving at 50 in this 40mph zone."
Why is that? Because I get up on time, work for myself, leave early, am not full of anger, don't sit there fuming in traffic jams, and don't think my car is an extension of my penis...

How can I have poor 'lane discipline' if it normally happens on single carriageways?

But still, a nice try at 'bait and switch'.
It's MY fault that there are aggressive, nasty drivers out there?
When I get the cameras fitted to my car, you'll see the evidence for yourself. "Poor lane discipline" indeed.
If my driving's so bad, how come I want yearly driving tests brought in, and would gladly take a test every year for my insurance company?

You drive 'largely' within the speed limits- how thoughtful of you...

So you're happy for this to be a 30, then:

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Your tone in posting here clearly indicates that you do have a lot of anger.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Right, that's it!

you no longer exist, as far as I'm concerned

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Only when ideology, prejudice and dogma are set aside does the truth emerge - Kepler

best post yet

Your posts seem to all have the same antagonistic flavour to them. Could it be suggested you adopt the same antagonistic mode when driving?

You must be doing something wrong to attract so much resentment from other motorists.

But that's not answering the question is it?



It is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL to road safety that drivers adjust their speed to the hazard environment. Do you think that the skills employed to perform this duty suddenly fail at 31mph in a zone that had a 60mph speed limit last week?

I don't and that's why.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

I'm sorry, and I know that it's something of an ad hominem, but every time I see you write in this fashion I can't help but think of the "Stoning" scene in "Life of Brian"... "You spoke the Name of our Lord and thus committed... BLASPHEMY!"

Could one be permitted to suggest that a slightly less hysterical style of posting might allow you to be taken a tad more seriously?

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"Politicians are the same the world over... We build bridges where there aren't any rivers." - Nikita Kruschev

Yes, why not? What's round the bend? Could be anything!

It indicates nothing. My driving attitude indicates how much anger I have. The fact that I don't speed and you all do says all we need to know about who's angry...

So all rural roads with a bend should be 30s, should they?

Maybe you would like to give us the benefit of your views on speed limit setting.

Take a look at the official government guidelines

Do you think they are wrong?

If so, why?

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed