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Insurance companies make their entire business out of deciding who is a risk on the road - how about that the current speed limits stand, unless your insurance company issues you an exemption with higher speed limits (which will presumably lead to a higher premium, but probably not much higher). This way any alleged negative aspects of speeding are payed for by the insurance company in any accidents that would happen - so the speeding could hardly be argued to have a net negative effect on society...

Do you mean a bit like the German A-bahn thing someone mentioned the other day. Legally anyone can put their foot down but not everyone is insured to do so?

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More that it is only legal to put your foot down if you are insured to do so

You want them do WHAT

Nooooooooo.........

The profit-driven, totalitarian, insurance cartel has far too much power already. They have more power in deciding who can legally drive what on the roads of this country than does any publicly accountable body. Those powers need pruning, not enhancement.

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Will

[not directed at you Will... more inspired by you]

Perhaps we should ban or discourage negative observations in the Brainstorming section? If we all tried to find new positives in ideas expressed perhaps we could do more good?

Just a thought...

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Perhaps I misunderstand your understanding of brainstorming. From over three decades of mechanical and software engineering, I understand "brainstorming" to be the statement of a goal then throwing of ideas into the ring with the expectation that others will knock those ideas down. The basic principle being that any idea that survives the initial onslaught is worthy of futher examination. Brainstorming in that way very quickly thins out the dross from potential real solutions.

Perhaps if we started this debate off with, "I think it would be a good idea to have tiered speed limits whereby those with proven better driving skills would be given more privileges and responsibility."

In that case, I'd be more than happy to submit to tests and regular retests from IAM, RoSpa, or even DSA. However, I suspect that it would be a positive move to prevent a profit-driven cartel with a questionable record of fair play from determining not only who can legally drive what, but how fast as well

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Will

I created a new topic to reply to this:
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1567

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

My understanding of brainstorming sessions is somewhat different. People are encouraged to come up with all sorts of ideas, no matter how ridiculous they may sound, without being shot down in flames. The reasoning is that even patently nonsensical ideas, if explored, may trigger a real solution - or at some point inspire a good idea in someone else's mind, which may not otherwise have happened. Once enough ideas have been bandied around, the 'knocking down' process can begin.

Regards
Peter

Tin foil hat!

P.S. No problem with criticism, as I said in the other thread. Otherwise, what is the point in replying?

I like the idea to a point... hows about
Each year of no claims on your insurance you get an extra 5mph
therefore I could drive at 110mph (at least)

there is a real incentive to drive safely as well as not messing up my car

That's dangerously close to political correctness Paul!

Saying "that's a load of pish" is an essential part of the brainstorming process. If we all get too polite we'll never be able to tell when someone comes up with a good idea.

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Ticketo ergo sum : I scam therefore I am!

PC? Me? nah!

I see it this way... If we stomp on seedlings, we'll never know which would have grown into beautiful roses.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Get stuffed JT, that's nonsense.

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CSCP Latin for beginners...
Ticketo ergo sum : I scam therefore I am!

Gardening not your strong point then Paul?

Not since Charlie Dimmock decided to stand for the greens

I think the idea is more that people can discuss the ideas openly and 'put down' any bad ideas, but without flamng the person that suggested them, while also suggesting better ideas, and showing WHY other ideas are better.

Is there any way to disagree with this without breaking its ethos?

hmmm yes one of the rules for brainstorming sessions is normally that you don't criticise an idea... just note it down & move on.

Yes, but here we are funnelling and ranking too - all mingled into one!