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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:15 
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One thing that struck me when I was driving this morning - not one of the speed cameras in my area has fencing on the pavement. One of them is opposite a park entrance which I presume is because people (kids) have run right out from the park and across the road (a 3 laner - 30mph) and been hit. I have also seen several kids playing chicken with the traffic here.

Surely a simpler solution is to erect a barrier along this stretch of road to stop that. I would be interested to see other sites with a supposed high pedestrian KSI rate! If we can stop the peds getting into the road where they shouldn't be in the first place, that must help surely!?


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Or a Pelican Crossing?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 14:03 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 18:43 
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AH , BUT fences stop the emotive reason given for speed enforcement - "you aint bothered about children's safety" or words to that effect.
Stop the kids getting on to the roads and the excuse for a cam is taken away. Can't have that - can't have redundant "safety " officials. On the other hand - redeploy them as lolipop persons - a job worthy of their immense talents -

Nowadays the kids have found a new game - chicken with cars/buses/lorries - too tame - cameras have slowed them down too much , game's too easy - lets get on the railway line and play chicken with the trains.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 21:22 
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Fencing pure genius, obvious but genius.

scrap the cams and erect fences with dedicated crossing points instead. Manned at peak times with 'wardens'. Why not?

Ex Camera Partnership staff would be ideal for this role, their in depth knowledge could be imparted to those that they help cross the road.


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Realistically you can only have fencing on major routes where there is no parking and no requirement to set down or pick up passengers, or make deliveries to premises.

It's not at all suitable for normal urban streets, except for short stretches opposite footpaths and school gates.

Also fencing can give a psychological message to drivers that they are unlikely to encounter pedestrians, and thus reduce their observation.

Ideally more major urban routes could be put in tunnels or on overpasses so they are totally separated from pedestrian movements.

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PeterE wrote:
Realistically you can only have fencing on major routes where there is no parking and no requirement to set down or pick up passengers, or make deliveries to premises.

It's not at all suitable for normal urban streets, except for short stretches opposite footpaths and school gates.

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Speed cams aint the ideal solution to road safety - but we get em.
Road safety seems to be about treating all, not some,drivers as idiots and all pedestrians as angels.
Why not treat pedestrians the way that drivers are treated - we cannot be trusted to drive without breaking the law - pedestrians jump off the pavement / jay walk - we don't see ped cam - probably because they could'nt be traced ( and the huge outcry), another good use for redundant partnership employees- so we fence them in -a cheap solution to seperating ped and car - initially expemsive - but look at the saving in nhs costs -
Oh sorry thats the way the anti car lobby think.
If we can't persuade them to co -exist , then we could at least give them a taste of how we are treated - fine them £60 for jaywalking/ walking out without looking, and a lot more for misusing crassings - walk straight on ,get halfway across , then walk off at an angle.


OK, JUST MUSING, you never know in todays atmosphere some crank might think it a good idea. :bounce1: ( imagine it as a pig)


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 13:17 
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This is part of the problem.

Scameras are being used INSTEAD of engineering improvements to roads and surrounding areas, not as a last resort after other methods to try and improve safety have been tried and failed.


Altering a corner to remove a kink and make it constant radius,
Cutting back excess flora to improve visibility,
improving the signage (eg chevrons) warning of a severe bend
installing barriers (as a preference to hitting trees) on the outside of the bend.
Properly re-surfacing the road (rather than just a surface coat of SMA)

All of the above measures could improve safety at a given corner to a greater or lesser degree, but all cost cash rather than bringing in a revenue stream.


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Altering a corner to remove a kink and make it constant radius,
Cutting back excess flora to improve visibility,
improving the signage (eg chevrons) warning of a severe bend
installing barriers (as a preference to hitting trees) on the outside of the bend.
Properly re-surfacing the road (rather than just a surface coat of SMA)


Any of the above will be done AFTER a speed camera has been installed, so they can give the camera the credit for any reduction in accidents.


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