Safe Speed Forums

HA,
you can express your opinions here, as long as we stay civil.
The blue band on the cap must be to indicate the content of their language.
I'll repeat that phrase to next PSCO I happen across,
so you spurned Bi Si 's advances, you tease!
fatboytim

Yes you can.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

1. I didn't say it was sacred, I said it was a place where speeding was stupid. Unless you choose only to look at the tarmac in the road and ignore the high numbers of potential incidents that are waiting to happen around you. I happen to believe that road would be a 40mph road IF the bit in front of the terraced houses and the OAP home had a fence across the pavement, with a proper crossing place (pelican in favour of zebra) somewhere between the OAP home on the right and the dance hall on the left.

2. If you see clear open road ... and know it well enough to be aware of the blind junctions, the non-road hazards, potential bad camber, poor surfacing, overbanding ... yes, probably true, you can select a safe speed. If you don't know all of these things, can you truly say you are fully in posession of all of the facts that allow you to choose an illegal speed? Can you?

3. She wasn't speeding. You've said that you believe that several times. I can't say either way, I have no evidence, and I don't think I have [just checking my posts ... yep, I'm right, I haven't] accused her of speeding. I was responding to your point that the position of the speed trap was for some kind of "fun". I disagree with you on that. Has her case been tried yet? It's important that these cases are tried carefully as any kind of incompetence with the speed measuring devices should be stopped.

4. Police travel over the speed limit when on blue light runs. This is not a surprise. Police drivers are better trained than mere mortals, probably even than you. They have blue lights (visual) and two tones (aural) signals to let people know they are coming, and they have FAR superior (in my experience) hazard spotting capability than "normal" drivers. They also tend to have another pair of capable eyes in the car as well, doubling the potential hazard spotting capability.



As well as reading points that I haven't made, do you hear voices saying things that no-one has said? I haven't said your wife is the worst person to walk the earth. I think people who speed in that particular spot are idiots, but you maintain that your wife was not speeding, so it can't apply to her.

[edited to add]
Final point - I have no evidence to support a premise that the support officer was using the device incorrectly, nor do I have any evidence to support the opposite premise. I do seem to recall ... although I really can't be arsed reading back to check it, that the PC formed the prior opinion that your wife WAS speeding. As well as positing the case for an inaccurate use of the device (which we agree, is not acceptable) do you also believe that the PC was incorrect?

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

I belive that the PC was listening to the PCSOs who were operating the laser.

She didnt as far as I saw challenge or check what these two were saying or doing. They could have said anything..they both had glasses on so I hope they were up to scratch on the sight front.

I think that this officer was a beat officer who from what was stated had been given the unfortunate task of providing entertainment and company for the morning for these two...or stuck with babysitting them.... which ever

I think traffic law enforcement should be left to traffic police.

Not to two a PC and two PCSOs.....

PCSOs here tell me what wonderful PR people they are.... hardly likely to help them are we....!! really good for PR this....

They may feel good sticking people on..it may give the type of person these PCSOs appear to be some kind of a buzz !! I dont know !!

They probably go home and tell their patient partners all about their sad day, you can imagine the scene ..sitting in front of the TV in full dress uniform , in case the nick need em back on duty..

Telling how they got a disabled woman with four kids, with a clean licence ( 20 years) 3 points and a £60.00 fine..and how big they felt.and how the police service is just starting to run properly now they have the PCSOs .

How did they manage before..tell me someone...


Some good advice for entertainment..try watching their very own TV show.

ITV Sunday evening (ITV ..I Think)... great viewing , people who phone the nick for advice all the time
... to help make decisions for them...to help em do everything...

They really pick their mark...they wouldnt stand a chance in some professions.. they would nt get thru the door. I mean that...

PC WAS NOT RIGHT IN THIS CASE STICKING MY WIFE ON ..ON THE WORD OF TWO UNTRAINED, UNPROFESSIONAL WITNESSES.

If this were your licence you would complain right !!!

If my wife were a serial speeder...would she not have previous perhaps...????? ..20 years and then done on the whim of two PCSOs please !!!!!

20 YEARS not a BLEMISH till two PCSOs are let loose with a gun !!!!

Nothing better to do..what a waste.. we suggested a ticking off..in the circumstances PC said normally I would but Im with these two...===PCSOs..

What does that say !!!!!!!!!!!

I apologise to you...Big Si posted my polite Pm to him..so I posted theirs ..sorry !

There's no need for an apology, thank you - it isn't in the rules. Perhaps it should be, but that's my problem, not yours.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

HA,

This might be of interest to you, maybe this is the way to get clarification!

weblink http://www.merseyside.police.uk

Chief Constable's live web chat

Chief Constable Bernard Hogan-Howe will be available for a live webchat on Wednesday 29 November from 9.30am - 10.30am.

If you are unavailable at that time, you can submit your question now... [read more]

Boy ...Thanks I have already written to him..

Let us see what he has to say..!!!


Could I miss a chance like that !!!!

Sir,

Thank you for taking the time to answer our questions.

I would like to ask why you see fit to use PCSO officers at Speedtraps.
I have concerns about the way that your force deploys PCSOs.

My partner was stopped by PCSOs at a speed trap recently.... I find it annoying that they are being used in this role, (they were accompanied by one PC).

I thought that these people had been introduced and paid for by taxpayers to better serve the community. Why are they now operating speed measuring equipment. ???

If you want the PCSO to be accepted in our communities, to be your eyes and ears..is it then valid to have them engaged in traffic speed enforcement.??? We have traffic police to carryout these dedicated specialist tasks as I understand it.

In your opinion is that what the Home Office created the role of the PCSO for.. ??? and good policing ??

As they have very limited powers is it worth having PCSOs at all...??

Why not spend the money and have more Police Officers.

I have complained about the incident itself, how the PCSOs jumped into the road and the rather unproffesional way this stop was dealt with by all concerned.


Thank you.

If you get a reply Andy, please post it, I’m pretty sure i know what he will say, should he choose to reply, but it will indeed be very interesting reading.

Again Andy, what was the alleged speed your wife was stopped for?
For the tenth time..

You see, I have some info that suggest it has to be over a certain speed for them to stop and fine, you said it was above 30mph + 1 or 2’ish…..well, what exactly was the alleged speed?


Mike

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Don’t believe everything you read in the papers.

“The truth is bloody boring”- Max Clifford, News Of The World

This might interest you Andy - http://www.how2become.co.uk/pcso.htm just incase you ever fancy leaving Securicor.

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Don’t believe everything you read in the papers.

“The truth is bloody boring”- Max Clifford, News Of The World

I pretty much know what he will say... WHAT YOU EXPECT HIM TO SAY..but I will have my say !!!!

How wonderful you all are..like all the stuff you say..he would have to say that..but Im sure he will get the drift of what I am saying..about the cash wasted on you PCSOs

I have read some of the stuff he has replied to on his police forum before..he seems to know the score shall we say...he seems a fair man from what I have read.

I will of course respect what he says wether I agree with him or not...

I respect REAL police officers, the sooner they get rid of PCSOs the better..what a waste of money..and whatever he says.. I will be writing to him anyway !! about the money wasted on you PCSO lot !!!

When I have time between, family,work, essays and fishing !!!

oh and avoiding you PCSOs !!!!!

You are not the sharpest pencil are you..I would never work for Securicor .,, and never have... !!!

They could not afford me shall we say !!!

..even if they offered me more money they have only one thing in mind. .PROFIT... they Provide poor security, treat staff poorly... look at private prisons I feel sorry for their staff..I do.

.they dont get as much as a PCSO..so the money wasted on PCSOs should be given to private contractor Prison staff ..what you lot starts on more and goes to £20000.00 ...not one of you are worth that !!!!

You like it so much do it for nothing...like a s/con..I doubt it you are on a
good scam you are...till people see you for what you are and boy I WILL TELL EM !!!!

What they on £16500.00 ..for looking after 100 inmates ..poor things and you lot of wasters ...please


I would starve before becoming a bluecap !!!!!

Again Andy, what was the alleged speed your wife was stopped for?
For the eleventh time..

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Don’t believe everything you read in the papers.

“The truth is bloody boring”- Max Clifford, News Of The World

For the fifteenth time what is your collar number, Police Force and station ! ??????

Tim run rings round you again has he ????

Why does the alleged speed matter?

From the Chief Constable, Merseyside Police Forum

I quote :-

We can't comment on the particuar circumstances if there is a prosecution or complaint pending. However, CSOs are an essential part in the fight against crime. They are most effective when they are walking and meeting the public and building trusting relationships. I think speed checks are very important because most collisions involving serious injury involve high speed. Therefore I think it is a good use of their time and it shows the community they are taking road safety seriously.

Fair reply.... and what I expected !!!

Good use of their time if they know what they are doing.. !!!

Trusting relationships ..Love that one....

You should reply to him and point out that their own contributory data shows that only 5% of collisions are due to exceeding the speed limit...

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the CC uses the word "involving", not "caused by". I know it's semantic pedantry but accuracy is important.

He also didn't say "exceeding the posted speed limit", in the interest of balance.

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

Correct.

Also, it follows that if the other 95% of the problems are eliminated then most (if not all) of the 5% 'speeding' problem will also be solved.

I hear what you say - but the contributory stats are also "involving" not necessarily "caused by". I'd also think it reasonable to put "high speed" into the "exceeding the speed limit" bracket..

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