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Although I would quite have put it like Big Si I do agree with the first part:

"Big of you that isn't it using a dead child to score points"

That is spot on, you are using the death of a child to score points Andy... and that is sick

Mr Stinchcombe,

Irrespective of your perception of Honestandy's views, I see you have avoided commenting on the suitability of someone that could write an e-mail like this to be a PCSO.

Would you care to reply?

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Malcolm W.
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MRS Minchop,

I would not seek to ever score points over the tragedy in question. Please !!! come on now !!!!

I hope to educate anyone reading this thread of the menace to society that is the PCSO Bluecap.

If the money spent of Bluecaps was spent on recruitment and training of REAL Police officers then perhaps incidents such as this will not occur...

I have no time for these people and cannot wait for them to be disbanded, just hope they dont let any of em in the real Police Force.

You have all been warned about them and the e mail from BIG Si is just a little taste of what you could expect from a BLUECAP ! true professional him..glad I didnt have to send for that one to help me or my fantastic children and wife. what a belter he is !!!!!!!

I’m rather puzzled as to why Andy didn’t contest the ticket.

Going back a thousand pages or so on this thread, he makes it clear that the PCSOs were using the camera and also stopped him.

This it appears, they have no powers to do (certainly not the stopping moving traffic part), so why didn’t you contest it, it wouldn’t have cost you much at all, especially if you won.

What did the reply letter from their boss say? (was it legal, is it common practice to use PCOSs?).

I’m very confused as to why you allowed your wife to get three points and a big fine if you could quite easily have walked out of court a winner.

I would have thought any opportunity to get one over on the ‘blue caps’ (who by the way - some of which now wear black caps, yikes!) as you clearly don’t like the humble PCSO.

With reference to the poor boy who drowned. It has no relevance that the Officers who arrived were PCSOs. Most forces no longer give their Police Officers open water lifesaver training and would order the first on scene officers to ‘not to enter the water’.

Here is a video that shows UK Police Officers (not PCSOs) dealing with a male who had gone in to the water. People are heard to shout “jump in then, do something” and the officers do not.

It gets to the important part at 5 minutes and 42 seconds.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gC-jvXskp-o&mode=related&search=

To put a bit of a spin on it –

Perhaps one of the only trained police representatives (bar a couple specialist cops in wetsuits) are the Cornwall PCSO/RNLI lifeguards.





"The PCSOs have been given full training as lifeguards by the RNLI and can be called on to assist the beach lifeguards during an emergency."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/6288026.stm

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Having just read the forty thousand pages this thread has (feel like I’ve run a marathon) it was questioned previously about the validity of these ‘posted PM’s’ from Andy wasn’t it?

I’m not saying Andy’s lying, though others have questioned that before (not me), but I think bigsi should be able to respond before we assume anything is real or make-believe.

After all it’s very easy to write a horrible PM to wind someone up, as it is to make up a PM and wind someone up.

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40,000 pages your numeracy is as good as your PCSO Bluecaps skills in traffic speed estimation. can you not read perhaps..

PCSO Bluecaps seem a bit limited in numeracy and literacy skills, and traffic speed estimation.. so HA will help you

27 Pages ... big difference between 40,000 and 27 !! but you are a Bluey so I will help you !!!!!!!!

I am not a liar... the PM did come from your Bluecap..(not black cap) mate BIG Si...

This can no doubt be verified by the Mods but I am sure they are too busy and do not have time.

Why would I make up a PM.. you are as bad as them other Bluecaps..god help the public in Sussex.

We do not have the time or the funds to fight the FPN.. it was easier to pay up and shut up ... just like most people do !!!! Unfortunatly !

PCSOs Bluecaps who are Traffic PCSO Bluecaps can operate the laser apparently .. well on paper anyway...

I have read a few stories here where people here have faced massive costs defending speeding allegations.. we have put up and paid up..rather than fight do you understand that !!!

She has not had points on her licence EVER till she encountered those pesky bluecaps with sod all else to do !!! with a PC with sod all else to do than stand baby sitting those two blueys

The damage you do to police public relations is immense you dont help drowning kids, all you lot do is visit the pie shop and terrorise other wise honest people with you FPN s cos that is all you lot can do... and you seem to have a thirst for doing people for things the police (real) would not bother with... you are not real.. mentioned what a waste you are when I was speaking to my MP ..on another issue.. he looked skyward and laughed !!!

your days are numbered..police forces not recruiting as many blueys now !!!

and the Police Federation see you lot for what yoiu really are !!!

there words not mine

http://www.polfed.org/we_stand_D93FA810 ... A70F20.asp


more independant views of blueys :-

http://burningourmoney.blogspot.com/200 ... ckets.html

Go away..you another mate of BIG Si ? , and mike and that Mrs chewchop or whatever... Go and join the REAL police force (if they will have you ) or go and get areal job. !!!!

I am much too busy to argue or give your PCSO Bluecap wasters another second of my valuable time.. but

Your time will come and you must walk around all day in your sad lonely world..wanting to book some one for some minor piddling offence the police would never bother with.

Your realisation that by looking at yourselves in your uniform in shop windows wont make you feel big when trouble does come.

Your little belts with torches and nothing else in them except FPNs dont look as good as the real police ones - must break your heart. no CS gas, no batons, no handcuffs (Except for a few of you ) oh dear ... the high spot of your day is the three of you walking to the local pie shop... and that is how you are seen.

Chief Cons have to write NICE things about PCSOs one may be brave enough to tell the government what a wasted experiment gone wrong you really are.. but they earn too much to spoil a good thing.. HA will tell everyone for them.... YOU ARE A WASTE and a LAUGHING stock you really are...

We don't have access to peoples PMs. Hacking the database isn't easy to do, it's not worth the effort.

However, there might be a cheap and nasty short cut. PM me if you wish to have your claim substantiated.

Smeggy, I think that would be a good idea. If it is substantiated then Si should be banned, if it is proven to be falsified then Andy should be banned (though this is my opinion, I’m not a Mod).

Andy,

It’s quite clear you don’t like PCSOs, or Police Officers for that matter, reading through the previous pages (note ‘40,000 pages’ was a light hearted remark not a numerical error, thought that was evident). It doesn’t appear you respect anyone in a position of authority, which is unusual, as you yourself, are in a position of authority, as a Security Officer.

I’m not going to try and argue our worth or effectiveness with you, that would probably be a waist of both if our time.

What I will say though, is that, we are here to stay, we’re now up to full strength and our powers are set to increase and training package to improve and standardize.

As below –

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/community-policing/community-support-officers/?version=5

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So what you are in authority, it does not mean you have respect. Respect is something, which you earn. Just because you have a job/position or role with authority DOES NOT entitle you to respect. It is how you use your “authority” which earns your respect, NOT the other way around. It concerns me you see yourself in authority and therefore should be respected; I hope that this is the exception rather than rule for people in your role. Which sorry to say I have little respect for.

Note I still have some respect for the police however it gets less and less every time I here how they have misused their authority.

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Ree.t,

I completely agree with you. Respect is earned.

Obviously you don’t know me, or of my work within my community, my knowledge, my training, and more importantly, my results.

So I cannot expect you to ‘respect me’, though from a very young age we are taught to ‘respect authority’.

I respect you Ree.t, until you show me a reason not to, but that’s just the way I’ve been brought up.

Strangely though, you say ‘you still have respect for the police’, as a member of ‘the police’ I appreciate that comment.

If by ‘the police’ you mean, you only have respect for ‘police constables/PCs’ and exclude in that bracket (of people you respect) other Police employees – prisoner process officers, CSIs, civilian investigators, front office staff, PNSOs, PCSOs, radio controllers, police CCTV operators, civilian police dog trainers, police helicopter pilots and air observers, 999 call takers, prison van drivers, prisoner escort officers, prison officers, etc etc etc.

I take it you have no respect for any of these people?

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Simple.... respect the roles of former....

Police helicopter Pilots.. all of them !!!

PCSO Bluecaps = NO RESPECT !!!!



Do you understand that then ?

Why do you all want more power..??? PCSOs ask for more power...

Why not have more Police rather than you lot running around trying to get more power..!!! why dont you join the POLICE if you want POWER ! ????

Why do we need you ?? me confused ..like the Police Federation

Two tier policing... the baddies know who can arrest and put em before a court ..they also know that does not APPLY TO YOU LOT...YOU ARE POWERLESS..

all the time we see and read ...PCSO blue/black caps are getting more power why ?what for... ? to satisfy your ego needs perhaps. you are all the same ..

MORE POWER ..MORE POWER why do you want power explain ??


we have a police force for god sake !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your mate si what a charming professional man is he !!!

A Typical Bluecap !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From a local police force too...not the sharpest pencil in the box is he;

my investigations would suggest that BIG Si posts to other bluecap sites and admonishes Police Officers on their behaviour.. rest assured HA is on his case and will track him down... may even prove to his bosses who he is :-

http://www.policecommunitysupportoffice ... highlight=

It is confirmed, the PM is genuine.
Honestandy quoted the PM in its entirety. There doesn't appear to be any provocation.

It is pending consideration. Please let this be the end of the issue.

What work ??? Visiting pie shops !

Knowledge ?? You an expert in law ?

Training = Far less than a Police Officer !!!!!

Results = Arrests 0 FPN 1,000,000,000 (that is a Billion for benefit of PCSO bluecaps)

RESULTS sod all.. annoying joe public !! with FPNs for piddling offences !!

Come on all that is just silly, I have respect for individuals. However it is the role of the PCSO I do not respect/understand. As why can’t it be done buy police? A lot of the roles you mentioned above support the police to do their job, and make their job easier. They do not take the role of the police officer.

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http://www.justgiving.com/Rob-Taylor

I appreciate your position Ree.t, and you are of course completely right.

We should have more Police Officers, much more, there should never have been a need for PCSOs. The burocrasy has gotten out of hand but, without abolishing the Human Rights act and PACE its never going to improve.

That’s a fact.

Then we are left with two choices, either employ more PCs to take on more paperwork (note. We have more police officers than ever in history) or create another tier of Officers who can avoid all the paperwork because they do n take away a persons liberty, or investigate.

Waaalah you have the PCSO.

I’ve no doubt people would prefer ‘real police constables’ pounding the beat, but it just won’t happen.
If you worked for the police you would see the ridicules amounts of paperwork, reports, statements and burocrasy that the role involves (the big reason I’m not doing it) Read 'Waisting Police Time' for a good read and to really understand. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wasting-Police-Time-Crazy-World/dp/0955285410.

The role of PCSO Is actually a really good job, all the good stuff about being a Poliice Officer, without all of the crap stuff.

Any half intelegent person knows that you cannot generalize or stereotype – for example I cant stand pies, I never walk in a three, I cant remember the last time a walked in a 2, even at night.

Andy will have you believe that were all fat, lazy, uneducated bafoons, too scared to poke our toe into a pond to save a child.

It’s just not the case, we’re not all the same and most of us actually want to make a difference, are competent, fit, intelegent and prepared to jump in and save someone. As this news story shows.




http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/7057049.stm

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Interesting. Are you saying that the HRA and PACE are the reason for all the police paperwork? If so how, and why are PCSOs exempt?

Because PCSOs are designated a core set of powers about 59 at the moment, I’ve no doubt that will steadily increase but it would take a hundred years to catch up with the thousands that Police Officers have.

The old beat bobbie didn’t have hundreds of powers, didn’t have PACE, Human Rights Act, but managed very well with a few basic powers and then section 3 criminal law, Common Law, Breach of the peace, etc (all powers PCSO have) all powers the beat bobby managed perfectly without the modern day powers..

Honestly read ‘Wasting Police Time’ by PC David Copperfield it’s a real eye opener.

The amount of paperwork that you have to complete if you make an arrest is immense.

If you nick someone for stealing a 5p sweat (literally) you will be tied up in custody, prisoner processing, stament from offender, statement from victim, CPS bundle, crime the incident and create a victim contract, update the victim all the way along and then charge, interview your prisoner, bail them. Then you have to go to court when they plead not guilty, this involves sitting in the court waiting room for a whole shift, before being told ‘you’re not required, but thanks for coming’.

That’s for a 5p sweet.

Then CPS say, it’s not in the publics interest to prosecute, then it’s NFA’d (No Further Action).

That’s why there are a few PCs coming over to PCSO, many potential PC applicants changing their minds and doing this job, I work with a number of ex PCs. Can you understand why?

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I don't doubt that, but why the paperwork? Is it not a result of PACE and the HRA? Are PCSOs exempt from the paperwork or can they simply not arrest?

If the old bobby managed very well, why do they need all these new powers, (or at the very least) why do they need to use them?

This is certainly a new take on the reason why PCSOs exist. You overlegislate and make the conventional police impotent, then realise you made a mistake and try to correct it by creating a new class of "police". Only a politician could get away with this monumental waste and stupidity.

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.