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Hi - I'm a little confused and wonder if someone can help.

I drive a leased car and according to the NIP I got today was speeding on Aug 24th. Now I realise that my name would not have originally come up against this vehicle and so that is why its outside the 14 day limit. However this is almost 2 months later and wonder can I ask them to prove that they sent the orginal NIP to the registered keeper within 14 days?

OK second question is that the registered keeper for this car is BMW Financial services and the NIP first went to them, then to the company I work for, then to me. So if I just don't name who was driving who will take the rap? BMW Financial services (as they are on the V5) or my company?

If you don't reply to a NIP addressed to you then you will be charged.

As far as your first question is concerned, you would have to wait and make them prove service of the first NIP in court. They are under no obligation to prove anything to you at this stage.

I suggest you visit the forums at www.pepipoo.com for more assistance.

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How do we stand whilst we wait for the European court ruling on the right to not self incriminate?

Do I leave NIP unsigned or do I sign it?

Where are you? Unsigned in Scotland is still an unknown quantity. Unsigned in England and Wales will result in a charge of failing to name the driver. This is the case that's currently going through the ECHR (Francis).

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Less Kodak, more Kojak.
In times of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

Having worked for BMW FS about a decade ago, I know that they then had a database on which every transaction relating to the vehicle was recorded. This included payments, servicing, spares, VEDs, and parking/speeding tickets. The date on which the NIP was received should have been recorded along with the date on which they returned the NIP naming the leaseholder. Unfortunately, you won't be able to access this information except in a court of law (where you can call BMW FS as witness). However, your company (as leaseholder) can access the full history of the car for the period they have it on lease. I'm not sure whether BMW FS would charge for the printout. If you're on appropriate terms with your company's fleet manager, perhaps you could ask him or her to ask BMW?

Other than that, the best advice is probably to get over to PePiPoo, fill in the NIP Wizard, and ask for help there.

HTH,

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Will