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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 15:08 
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May I just ask some advice please? I appreciate this is a speeding forum but did not know where else to post this.

I have recently recieved 2 seperate FPN's for using a mobile phone while driving and having a non conforming number plate. I was pulled over by a marked Police vehicle. The officer issuing the notices distinctly said these were £30 each.

I am also under the impression these were £30 offences. Can anyone confirm this?

When I got home and re read the forms, they are actually asking for £60 each, (they are preprinted and white in coulour) rising to £90 each if not paid within 28 days.

My question is, if in fact these are £30 offences and they have used the wrong forms/are requesting the wrong amount, do I have any grounds to appeal them and how would I go about this? Any other tips?

Many Thanks for your help.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 16:01 
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Sounds pretty strange. I agree that they are normally £30 offences.

Does the documentation refer to specific laws? Which laws?

I also see no basis for inflating the charge on a criminal (as opposed to decriminalised) FPN.

What's the authority? Police? Which force?

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I heard on the radio at lunch that they were increasing it to £60 and 3 points...

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Sixy_the_red wrote:
I heard on the radio at lunch that they were increasing it to £60 and 3 points...


Yeah. In about 6 weeks time. Why's that come out today? What story are they trying to spoil?

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They are pre-printed forms it says... (VEH REG) which you were driving was seen in circumstances which gave me reasonable cause to believe that the offence indicated below was being or had been committed...

then in pen... one says " USE MOBILE PHONE WHILE DRIVING

the other " NUMBER PLATE NOT CONFORMING"

Hes left the issuing officer part blank and it just says rank and number PC123

It was from Essex Police. Thanks for your help!


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Oh and they are both titled "FIXED PENALTY NOTICE (NON ENDORSABLE OFFENCE)"


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londonthing wrote:
They are pre-printed forms it says... (VEH REG) which you were driving was seen in circumstances which gave me reasonable cause to believe that the offence indicated below was being or had been committed...

then in pen... one says " USE MOBILE PHONE WHILE DRIVING

the other " NUMBER PLATE NOT CONFORMING"

Hes left the issuing officer part blank and it just says rank and number PC123

It was from Essex Police. Thanks for your help!


He's just filled it in wrongly, I thnk. Give the fixed penalty office a ring and see what they say.

I don't know about the fine increasing - I don't think they can do that with a criminal FPN. Anyone?

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Did they pull you over? I really don't see how they can enforce the mobile phone law very easily due to "beyond a reasonable doubt" issues.

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You need to chase this ASAP.

The £60 FPNs are usually for endorseable offences and carry points but the £30 FPNs are for non endorseable and don't carry points.

Its much easier to deal locally and avoid getting points you should not have than it is to get the DVLA to remove points later.


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